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I was browsing the Internet and had to post this review of "Attack of the Clones"- I couldn't quit laughing. This is just to remind you all that not everyone considers the prequels to be failures...


Yoda was everything he should be, and exactly what fans needed to see. The first time, I was stunned by his quick speed, and frenetic slashes. In fact, I was so awed that I never really saw how he moved. My second viewing allowed me to really watch his actions, and realize his small stature is what made him so deadly.

"As of two viewings, Attack of the Clones stands as my favorite Star Wars movie to date....the movie held more action, more emotion.... than any previous Star Wars movie."





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The same reviewer also says:

Yes, I’m going out on a limb here and saying that Palpatine is Darth Sidious.

Duh! And:

Jango was absolutely awesome. He already outshines Boba from in the Original Trilogy

Oh dear.
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If there were no OT movies, and PT fans said what they said about the PT movies and how much they loved them, I wouldn't mind. To me, to each his own, and everyone has an opinion.

But the fact that they are saying AOTC is better than the original SW? Or better than ESB? Or even better than ROTJ? I just don't understand how anyone could be a SW fan, and not rank atleast the original SW high up on their list. When I was growing up, the original SW was loved by everyone, and we all debated on ESB & ROTJ. Now years later ESB has proven to be just as great as SW '77, but for a fan to say that AOTC is their favorite SW movie over all the OT movies? That is where I have to check out which planet they are from .
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I don't know. It's not that bad a review. He lists complaints too. He's not gushing completely. To be honest, his opinion was similar to mine when I first saw it... well, I mean, I never placed it above the originals, but I had many of the same praises and complaints four years ago.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I hope you didn't think saying Palpatine is Sidious was going out on a limb.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't know. It's not that bad a review. He lists complaints too. He's not gushing completely. To be honest, his opinion was similar to mine when I first saw it... well, I mean, I never placed it above the originals, but I had many of the same praises and complaints four years ago.

I know, I know. At least he recognizes that the dialogue for the love story stunk. I just got the biggest kick out of his comment that Episode II had more EMOTION than any other Star Wars movie (including Empire!). I also liked his gushing about the CG Yoda:

...seeing him scratching his face, the mottled color of his skin, and the shine in his eyes when he stared out of the screen was wonderful. It made Yoda more real than ever before

The experimental Ep. II CG Yoda makes him more real than the puppet? Come on! And Padme being one of the best-portrayed characters in the movie? She and Hayden were the most wooden actors in the movie!

Originally posted by: CO
I just don't understand how anyone could be a SW fan, and not rank atleast the original SW high up on their list.


Oh, you wouldn't believe. Most of the people I talk to now tell me how "boring" the original Star Wars is. They would rather watch any other movie than it (my brother included). That just shows how shallow a lot of people have become, and maybe it's why movies stink now- they're being geared toward this type of audience.

(end of rant).
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Yeah, I was a never a fan of the decision to make Yoda CG. And it got even worse when the DVD came out, and the people on the commentary gushed how great he was every time he appeared on screen. It was so irritating.

And, THX, even though I've said it before here, it's still a little bit embarrassing, but I didn't think that Sidious and Palpatine were the same person until long after Attack of the Clones. It's not as bad as it sounds. I mean, I knew Palpatine became the Emperor (duh!). I simply thought it was far too obvious to have this black-cloaked guy be him too. I thought that Lucas was either trying to fool the audience with this lookalike Sith or, storyline-wise, was supposed to be Palpatine's master, explaining why Palpatine would go for a similar look once he came to power. To this day, I feel that I gave him too much credit.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Well, that could've worked - but I think the fact that both were played by Ian McDiarmid kind of gave it away in TPM.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Yeah, I was a never a fan of the decision to make Yoda CG. And it got even worse when the DVD came out, and the people on the commentary gushed how great he was every time he appeared on screen. It was so irritating.

And, THX, even though I've said it before here, it's still a little bit embarrassing, but I didn't think that Sidious and Palpatine were the same person until long after Attack of the Clones. It's not as bad as it sounds. I mean, I knew Palpatine became the Emperor (duh!). I simply thought it was far too obvious to have this black-cloaked guy be him too. I thought that Lucas was either trying to fool the audience with this lookalike Sith or, storyline-wise, was supposed to be Palpatine's master, explaining why Palpatine would go for a similar look once he came to power. To this day, I feel that I gave him too much credit.


I did have my suspicions as well. I was thinking 'as far as I know Palpatine is Darth Sidious for sure, but wouldn't it be a great plot twist if he wasn't?'. I think I pretty much quelled those suspicions after TPM, though, once I realised that both of the prequels were so crap that Lucas wouldn't even have thought of it.
MTFBWY. Always.

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Originally posted by: THX
Well, that could've worked - but I think the fact that both were played by Ian McDiarmid kind of gave it away in TPM.


Well, he wasn't billed that way... After all, the "official" word was trying to keep it a surprise until Revenge of the Sith had come out.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"Well, that could've worked - but I think the fact that both were played by Ian McDiarmid kind of gave it away in TPM."

If any of you spent any time on TF.n during that time, you probably would have seen me going after Emos Edud, who staunchly believed (or, at the very least, kept trying to convince everyone else) that Palpatine was a clone, and Sidious was the real, and only, Sith.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Davis

Oh, you wouldn't believe. Most of the people I talk to now tell me how "boring" the original Star Wars is. They would rather watch any other movie than it (my brother included). That just shows how shallow a lot of people have become, and maybe it's why movies stink now- they're being geared toward this type of audience.

(end of rant).




The funny thing is until I started coming on SW forums, I would have thought you were lying, but I have to agree with you on alot of new SW fans. It is the SW fans that are taking their shots at the original, and back when I was growing up it was people who hated everything about SW that took their shots.

I just don't understand how you can classify yourself as a SW fan, and not be a fan of the Original Star Wars! Isn't that the ultimate irony that the only movie really named Star Wars, the newer fans think is probably the worst in the series? I guess it really has to do with the movie being too slow, not enough 'cool' CG like the PT movies, Kenobi/Vader not doing flips in the lightsaber battle, and the need for 2 hours of constant action.

It is real sad cause I agree with you about newer movies in this genre, with the exception of a couple of good ones in the last few years, they are overloaded with action & CGI, and the characters, story, and drama take a backseat.

Oh well, it is just a different generation, I guess it is another reason I want the O-OT on DVD, so I don't even have to think about what new crap Lucas has changed to make those fans who hate his masterpiece happy.

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I don't see how you can possibly consider Star Wars to be boring or slow. It starts out with a bang with a violent shoot out. The only time it ever slows down is with the droids. Then there's death and destruction, suspense, the lightspeed jump... I want to stop right here at that lightspeed jump and comment on how this scene is really special (and I've never thought about it before now) because it's able to maintain a "chase" suspense mentality with very few exterior ship shots or insane dogfighting prowess. It does this by keeping you focused on the volatile combination of the characters and their fear of getting out along with the suspenseful music. It's never been lacking in any way. Then you have the most intense part of the movie, the Death Star, filled with gunfights, near-death situations, legions of troops, chasm-jumping. The lightsaber fight isn't something to write home about compared to its successors, but I never thought of it as boring until I read posts on message boards. It's rough and gritty rather than acrobatic with seizure-inducing spinning blades. It doesn't warrant the criticism it's received from fans nor the rationalizing and excuses it's received from George. Then there's the escape scene with the gunning down the TIEs. Awesome scene. And then it goes straight into the awesome trench battle, which didn't need any alterations to be exciting! What's slow about Star Wars?!

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I don't see how you can possibly consider Star Wars to be boring or slow. It starts out with a bang with a violent shoot out. The only time it ever slows down is with the droids. Then there's death and destruction, suspense, the lightspeed jump... I want to stop right here at that lightspeed jump and comment on how this scene is really special (and I've never thought about it before now) because it's able to maintain a "chase" suspense mentality with very few exterior ship shots or insane dogfighting prowess. It does this by keeping you focused on the volatile combination of the characters and their fear of getting out along with the suspenseful music. It's never been lacking in any way. Then you have the most intense part of the movie, the Death Star, filled with gunfights, near-death situations, legions of troops, chasm-jumping. The lightsaber fight isn't something to write home about compared to its successors, but I never thought of it as boring until I read posts on message boards. It's rough and gritty rather than acrobatic with seizure-inducing spinning blades. It doesn't warrant the criticism it's received from fans nor the rationalizing and excuses it's received from George. Then there's the escape scene with the gunning down the TIEs. Awesome scene. And then it goes straight into the awesome trench battle, which didn't need any alterations to be exciting! What's slow about Star Wars?!



Exactly. My old english teacher used to talk about the first time he saw Star Wars in '77. He says it was the most action packed film he had ever seen, the fastest two hours he had ever spent in a theatre. And to call it boring now? People's attention spans are way too short.

Part of what I loved about the original trilogy was just the language and the rankings involved, too: "Red five, standing by." "Man your stations." "Cover me". It was a lot more like the military and more realistic. And the lack of paranoid political correctness is also refreshing. I just shudder to think how Han Solo's character would have been written by Lucas in the '90's....


Leia: I really feel that you shouldn't be touching my hand right now. I didn't ask you to, and you are showing complete disregard for my personal space.

Han: Okay, m'lady. I've given up trying to argue with you. *dopey grin* My HEART is beating!- hoping that this incident did not create a rift in our relationship with one another. You are in my very soul. I can't breathe. I can't..

Leia: Shut up.

Han: Yes, m'lady.
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Anyone who says the new saber fights are better is a goldfish. The reason the old ones are better is because they have stakes attached to characters you care about, which creates drama. No amount of action could compensate for the lack of that.
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The reason the old ones are better is because they have stakes attached to characters you care about, which creates drama


Not to mention Vaders attempts to suduce Luke to the Dark Side. They are too busy in the new movies to even talk.