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Hypothetical: "Let's do it right this time!"

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I've been thinking:

We all dislike the PT. Not because he hate backstories, but because all three movies were poorly written, directed, and over all produced. We can't stand them and many of us have lain awake at night dreaming about "what could have been."

But, what if they were able to remake them? Not just remade, but totally redone - new plot line (not to be confused with "storyline"), new dialogue, new editing, new everything. And this time, done right.

Granted Ewan looked fantastic as Obi-Wan these past years, but there are other actors out there.

Let's say it's 10 years down the road. Lucas has been dead for years leaving the rights to his movies to the company, we've gotten the OOT on DVD recently, and the world is basically shaking off the reminants of what once was "a dark time for Star Wars fans." But one thing remains. The PT.
We don't watch them anymore. We don't talk about them anymore. It's too painful. But then someone gets the idea that they should be remade. Remade in a way that tells a good story for once.

It will fix all the plot holes that Lucas created all those years ago. It will make the OT story all that more powerful. And finally, Star Wars will be loved by just about everyone.

Taking the original Story by Lucas, only now new directors will take the reigns, a better and more exciting story develops. The script is re-written and the character development is amazing.

We all have our own thoughts as to how this trilogy could be made better, so if this were to be done some people would be annoyed while others would be delighted. And others would say that what was done was bad enough; no more, (or what was done was great; leave it alone.)

My question is, would you like to see the PT remade? And if so, how should it be done? What flaws would we fix? How can we make the character development better and make the audiance love the story and the characters?

Here is my 2 cents:

-Keep the prequals in trilogy form. Makes the whole thing flow better.
-make sure that the three main characters (Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padme) are played by the same actor for all 3 films
-Don't make Anakin say he'll "free all the slaves" unless you are going to allude to it in a deeper metaphor later in the other 2 films (and beyond)
-Actually make Anakin a pilot, not a "NASCAR driver"
-More anquish over Anakin's struggle with his passion for attatchment (i.e mother and Padme)
-Make him older when taken the the temple
-less politics
-less throw-away characters (i.e. Mace Windu, Grevious) so that when they die we don't shrug our shoulders and go "ehhh, whatever"
-No lightning-in-the-face that makes the emperor look nothing like he did in ROTJ
-Make Leia be born first, dammit

This is obviously nit picking from the existing Trilogy, but what I would really like to see is Yoda, Obi-wan, and baby Luke go to dagobah for just a short while before Obi-Wan and Luke head off to Tatooine so that "There is something familar about this place" actually means something.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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This could be a fun topic, however, I personally don't want to see them remade. What's done is done, and we just have to cut our losses and move on. Otherwise, I feel too much like George, going back and fixing things I don't like. I agree with most of your points that would make (or would have made) the prequels better. There are a few that I disagree with and will love to counter in friendly debate. I assume the Leia being born first thing is an attempt to make the "remembrance" in Return of the Jedi make more sense? I really don't see how that will help as a baby's a baby, and five more seconds with the mother isn't going to make any difference. Plus, we're all assuming that she's only with them the few seconds we see them together. There's that whole big scene afterwards where Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Bail decide their fates, where I'm sure the kids are with their mother. I much prefer the idea we've tossed around before about Padme having to sacrifice one of her children while keeping the other on Alderaan until a premature death, at which point the parenal reins would be passed on to the Organas. I also don't like the idea of Luke having to make an infant stop on Dagobah for his later line to mean anything. It's always made sense to me that he's just recognizing Yoda's familiar presence, since they had been close to each other before, whereas Yoda had never occurred to Luke before that.

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Ford is old enough to play Obi-wan now.

(Talk about digging up old fossils. )

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I would just want the whole storyline rewritten. And I would definitely change Padme's name to something less retarded-sounding. That's one of my main beefs with the PT, the names were stupid:

OT names:

Luke Skywalker
Han Solo
Leia Organa
Lando Calrissian
Ben Kenobi

PT names:

Padme Naberrie
Mace Windu
Count Dooku
General Grievous
Ki-Adi-Mundi

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Count Dooku and General Grievous are indeed names that are quite grievous... and, um, dookuy. Just remember, though, that in George Lucas's mind, the Billy Dee Williams character is named Lando Clareesian, and the Christopher Lee character is Count Doku.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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One of my gripes on the PT is that there was too many throw-away villians. Maul, Dooku, Jango Fett, Nute Gunray, Grevious. Make Maul turn out to be Grevious, and give Dooku a bigger role, or cut him altogether. I thought that they wasted a potentially great villian in Dooku. Having Grevious a seperate character just didn't add anything. I think if he was Maul, it would have added something to the fight he had with Obi-Wan. But the villians seemed to be too much into the "they'd make a cool action figure", or "lets keep throwing these guys out until we find something people like" and not enough story behind them. It also cluttered up the story and just got in the way.
Also, get rid of the lousy mystery in Episode 2, or at least finish it up. I'm still wondering what was up with Syfo-Dias, and exactly who ordered the clone army.
Which brings up another thing. A clone army just shows up, and the Jedi and the Republic just happly accept them without questioning where they came from, especially when they were cloned from a notorious bounty hunter associated with the trade federation (villians).
So the main problem with the PT is that there were too many illogical, and stupid, angles like these. It might of had potential, but needs some serious rewrites.
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Speaking of Jango, I say scrap the whole Boba Fett backstory. Boba Fett should stay mysterious.

And Gaffer, I didn't really get your last post.

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I was agreeing that the names sucked. Grievous being something to grieve over. Dookuy... I just made that up. And then I was pointing out the fact that on the commentaries for the movies, Lucas frequently pronounces his characters' names wrong (how the hell do you do that if you created them?!), so if you don't like them, you always have an alternative. To be honest, I think Doku sounds a bit better.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Oh, ok. It was just that last bit (Count Doku) that confused me. Thankee!

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The one thing I learned from Prequels to a succesful trilogy, Don't do them! Even if they were done right, I still think they shouldn't be made. Sometimes not knowing every detail is actually better than seeing it on screen. Showing the backstory of many characters has ruined their mystique that many possessed in the OT.

The Emperor, Yoda, Boba Fett and Darth Vader were all ruined in my opinion by fleshing them out. For some fans they like to know everything about those characters, to me, I go by the old saying, "less is more."
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I have been known to bore people to tears at parties with a two-hour speech about how the prequels could have been better. Recently, though I find myself agreeing with Gaff - I don't care anymore and just want to walk away. However, here are a few main points I'd have liked to see different (in no particular order):

1) Anakin in TPM is the same age as Luke was in ANH
2) Yoda is Obi-Wan's master (not Qui-Gon)
3) no midichlorians
4) Anakin does not come from Tatooine
5) In fact, Tatooine doesn't appear but Alderaan is a prominent planet in the series
6) the story begins with the droids, who are already together, we do not see their "origins" and Threepio is NOT built by Anakin!
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Everything everyone has already said, with one big difference: At the end of the third prequel, we believe that Anakin is dead, killed by Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan knows otherwise, so his P.O.V would have to remain undisclosed, but we, the audience, believe that Anakin is dead. This keeps the surprise of ESB, and even we do not know if Vader is lying to Luke until Yoda and Ben confirm it. Also, Ben should be called Ben more than he is called Obi-Wan. Could even be that Obi-Wan is a name he doesn't really like using, sort of like Indiana Jones is really called 'Junior'.

Also, I think Padme should not die on screen. She survives the prequels and goes to Alderaan with Bail, but has died by the time of the OT. This solves so many problems, including Leia's 'she died when I was very young' quote.

Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Speaking of Jango, I say scrap the whole Boba Fett backstory. Boba Fett should stay mysterious.
I heartily agree with you.

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How I would have done:

Episode 1 starts pretty much the way it does, but with Palpatine's evil schemes more clearly shown - no Darth Sidious thing. Let the good guys be good guys and the bad guys be bad guys. There are no gungans. Then they crash in Tatooine and meet a 15 year old Anakin. He lives alone, and no one knows where he is from - he was found by Lars and sold as a slave. There's no C3PO or Artoo. He participates in a race that envolves flying ships, ending in a 4 way melee to death. He gains his freedom and is under Obi-Wan's guidance.Padme is taken hostage by Darth Maul. There's a brief adventure to rescue her, leading up to the battle that kills Qui-Gon.

Episode 2 follows pretty much the story that is told on GL's Episode 2, with Anakin being an older, more experienced Padawan. There's no Jango Fett and the clone army is of Sifo Dias, who was an undercover Sith Lord before Darth Maul. The love story between Padme and Anakin grows of a tension between the two, Anakin not wanting the duty to guard her, but falling in love with her at the same time. they never go back to Tatooine. The final half of the movie is made of the final confrontation on Geonosis, leading to a 3 men battle between Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin, versus Dooku. Dooku escapes, but is killed by a mysterious Grievious under Palpatine's orders. Padme shows signs of being very ill, and hides this from Anakin as she marries him secretly.

Episode 3 follows the same story as GL's 3. Padme cannot hide her illness no more, being caused by Palpatine's dark side influences on her. She reveals to be pregnant. Anakin wants to save her life, but cannot do it with the Jedi. Palpatine reveals himself and says that the only way to save Padme is through the knowledge of the dark side. Fooled by Palpatine, he acts in the Jedi purge. Obi-Wan and Mace Windu have an amazing battle with a deadly and always silent General Grievious, which ends up costing Mace Windu's life, who dies at Obi-Wan's arms like Qui-Gon did. However, Mace Windu disapears. Obi-Wan follows Padme, going to Mustafar. There, Anakin fights with Padme, and force-throws her over a pit. Obi-Wan, who was secretly watching it all, saves her from falling into a lava pit, but Anakin belives she is dead. They fight, and the fight ends up the same. Padme is very seriously ill and dying, and dies while giving birth to the twins. She is secretly buried in Naboo. Obi-Wan goes back with Luke on Tatooine, and leaves him with Owen Lars, son of the person who first found Anakin. Qui-Gon and Mace Windu appear to Obi-Wan and tell him the secret of joining with the force. Meanwhile, Vader is consuming himself in self hate for supposedly killing Padme beyond any ways of saving her (he thinks she was consumed by the lava), and his transition to the dark side is complete.
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What I would have LOVED to have seen was around the last 20 minutes of ROTS, actually.

During this movie, it would have been fantastic to have a sub plot where Padme and Obi-wan became close (as good friends, Obi-Wan would never put a move on her), but Anakin is insanely jealous (you know, the whole "passion" thing that has been haunting him since episode 1). He grows more and more suspicious of Obi-wan, but can't confront him because A) he knows it would sound silly, and B) he might give away his secret that he's married (i.e. "Stay away from my wife!...oops.")

When Obi-Wan comes to tell Padme that he must do away with Anakin, she erupts in horror (not the, "you're going to kill him aren't you? Dude, that sucks." line she delivered) and passionatly begs him to spare Anakin's life, if not for him but for his unborn child. Tears are flowing down her cheeks as she clutches Obi-Wan's robes (reminecent of an earlier scene in my mind where Anakin walk in on Obi-Wan hugging and comforting her) and begs him not to kill her husband. Obi-Wan understands, but he must still find him and confront him. She turns and runs from the balcony (as much as her pregnant body will allow) and Obi-Wan slowly turns and heads too his ship.

Now this is where my ending comes in:

Anakin is on Mustafar and Padme lands and rushes up to him. They kiss and she tells him that Obi-wan is looking for him to kill him. They have to run away, ("All I want is your love" lines and such), and that is when Anakin see's Obi-Wan coming from the ship. Similar dialogue, "You brough him her to kill me!" Anakin force-chokes Padme and lifts her off the ground using the force. Her performance is much more realistic and she can't even make a breath sound he is holding her so tight. Obi-Wan yells at him to let her go, and Anakin - sill in pure anger - uses the force and slams her against the far wall, she tumbles and falls still.

...battle sequence....blah blah blah (could be better, but whatever)

Enter asteroid medical facility. A medical droid (looking similar to what was used in ESB) tells the gang what has happend.
Droid: "We've done everything that we can, but we're loosing her."
Obi-Wan: "She's dying."
Droid: "Yes. The damage is severe. She's bleeding internally, and were doing everything that we can, but she's giving up. We'll have to something quickly to save the babies before we loose their mother."
Obi-Wan: "Babies?"
Droid: "She's caring twins."

Due to her trauma, Padme has gone into premature labor and Obi-Wan enters the med lab. Waking, Padme's eyes fluter and see's Obi-Wan. He takes her hand and she painfully wisper's his name. "Obi-wan..."
"Shhhh. It's okay Padme. You're gonna be fine. You're doing great." She closes her eyes and lets out a pained yell as she has a contraction.
Droid: "Please push senator. You are almost there. I need you to push." She lets out another yell and the droid presents a girl.
Obi-Wan: "It's a girl!" He takes the bloody, rapped baby to Padme's side and she extends her hand. Gently she brushes the baby's cheek with the back of her hand and says "Leia..." She yells out again and the second baby is born.
Droid: "A boy, your highness." She looks down at her feet and sees the droid holding her baby. "Luke..." she says weakly and falls back on her pillow, exausted. Obi-Wan, still cradeling baby Leia leans in close to her. She extends her arm and touches his forarm above Leia. "Obi-Wan....there...there is still good in him." Her eyes start to close and her hand starts to slip down. "Don't give up, Padme!" Obi-Wan encourages "Don't give up!" But it is too late. Her hand slips past her open eyed daughter and falls limp by the side of the bed.


Something like that. Wow, that was very theraputic to write. I like that version.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Padme & the twins fate should have been handled this way:

After the duel on Mustafar and Anakin trying to strangle Padme, she survives but realizes Anakin is a monster, and knows she must go in exile. Kenobi, Yoda, and Bail Organa are there to witness the birth of Anakin/Padme child, but as fate would have it, it is twins. Yoda looks at Kenobi with a gleam in his eye that there is hope that two kids will be this strong with the force.

After Padme has twins and names them Luke & Leia, she discusses with Kenobi taking them in exile to hide from Anakin. Yoda steps in and says that the twins must be split up, for if Anakin & The Emperor find one of them, and not knowing she has twins, one would always be safe and being the only hope.

Padme disagrees and won't hear of splitting up her newborn babies. Yoda & Kenobi, and Bail talk outside the delivery room about where the twins can go. Bail says he can take Padme to Alderran with her to safe haven, as they have no weapons and are a peaceful world, and are the last ones to get in a fight with the empire. Kenobi then offers to take one of the babies to Tatooine to watch over them as Owen & Beru Lars become the adopted parents.

This is where the true drama Lucas missed: Kenobi then tells Padme she has to give up one of the children, and she begins to sob hysterically and still won't give in to them, but deep down she knows it is the right decision for atleast one of the babies safety.

She then looks at Luke & Leia, and as she is still crying pauses for a while, and then slowly cradles Leia, but still staring at Luke the whole time. Kenobi then grabs Luke, and Padme begins to run after him as she cant bare to give her child up, but Bail Organa stops her and consoles her as even he knows this is the right decision. She then asks Kenobi before he leaves, "Where are you taking him?" Kenobi replies, "Im sorry Padme, I can't tell you that, but I guarantee he will live a good life." And he exits the room, Padme falls to the ground crying hysterically, as she holds her daughter Leia.

The last montage would be Vader on the Star Destroyer, Padme holding Leia on Alderran very beautiful, but sad (as Leia says in ROTJ), and Luke be held to the binary sunset by Uncle Owen & Aunt Beru.

The credits roll..........

Instead we get Padme losing the will to live and Leia's memories don't mean shit from ROTJ. Thanks George for a wonderful link-up.
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I think the planet names need some work. Naboo, Mustafar, Geonosis was acceptible I suppose, but I HATED Utapau. It was written a long time ago that the final battle had to take place on a lava planet, so why not just use Sullust? I believe Vader mentions it near the end of ROTJ, sounds less dumb then Mustafar.


Wait, wasn't Mustafar Simba's dad in the Lion King?

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
I think the planet names need some work. Naboo, Mustafar, Geonosis was acceptible I suppose, but I HATED Utapau. It was written a long time ago that the final battle had to take place on a lava planet, so why not just use Sullust? I believe Vader mentions it near the end of ROTJ, sounds less dumb then Mustafar.


Wait, wasn't Mustafar Simba's dad in the Lion King?


hahaha no that was musfasa but close enough lmao
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before we loose their mother


*rudely points at Jenny*

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

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Yeah, CO's vision fits mine pretty much exactly, as I stated earlier.

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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I already re-wrote whole screenplays for Episodes I and II, posted them on here, and they were met with a lukewarm response at best...

They're all still works in progress, and it has taken me forever to do anything with my Episode III, but I'm sure I'll finish it someday...
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This is a pretty sweet idea, Jenny...and one I've imagined about before. I've thought a great deal about the originals before...and how that spirit could be resurrected for the prequels. I always feel like it was some wonderful, special blend of talent that happened to befall the movies, and would be VERY hard to grasp again. Like they were a product of that particular time, and those who contributed to their making. How could it be revived for the PT? I'm probably being way too gushy about the whole thing, but those movies are somehow beyond words for me. If only the PT could have seen the same care and creation. One thing I would say is needed: a wonder of the stars. It's all too easy and forgotten in the movies as they stand now. Sure space travel is a normal part of life in the GFFA, but somehow in the originals I always felt this romance about space itself. That should definitely be in the prequels. It's just a little thing, but there you go.
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No amount of tinkering with individual scenes could have saved the prequels - they needed a top-to-bottom rewrite. The whole tone of the films is different from the OT. The OT has a bunch of likeable characters caught up in action/adventure during the course of which story themes emerge. The PT has a bunch of bland/unlikeable characters engaging themselves with story themes, with the occasional insertion of arbitrary action/adventure.

In addition, the OT had a bunch of likeable actors who gave spirited performances.
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Originally posted by: skye_solo
This is a pretty sweet idea, Jenny...and one I've imagined about before. I've thought a great deal about the originals before...and how that spirit could be resurrected for the prequels. I always feel like it was some wonderful, special blend of talent that happened to befall the movies, and would be VERY hard to grasp again. Like they were a product of that particular time, and those who contributed to their making. How could it be revived for the PT? I'm probably being way too gushy about the whole thing, but those movies are somehow beyond words for me. If only the PT could have seen the same care and creation. One thing I would say is needed: a wonder of the stars. It's all too easy and forgotten in the movies as they stand now. Sure space travel is a normal part of life in the GFFA, but somehow in the originals I always felt this romance about space itself. That should definitely be in the prequels. It's just a little thing, but there you go.



I have come to the reality that I don't think the PT could have ever done what the OT did for us for many reasons, and that is why Lucas started with the OT in '77. Now again, I still don't believe he had this grand plan saga B.S., but he knew this was a different story than the OT.

The PT story is more political, and more personal, and more tragic, so I ask anyone, what is so fun about that? It is interesting, but nowhere near as fun as the OT.

The OT had great characters, and a story that always had a sense of urgency. Our heroes were constantly on the run for 3 movies, so there was no time for scenes like Anakin/Padme on Naboo just falling in love.

Luke, Leia, and Han were characters you could relate to, that could have been you and I up there doing battle with the empire. They had personality, humor, and chemistry. The PT characters were staunchy by nature, sure Lucas could have livened them up alittle, and could have hired different characters, but it would be out of place if they were cracking jokes the whole time. The PT is loaded with characters that are jedi & politicans, so by nature, they aren't characters with the greatest personalities.

The story of the PT is a political one, how a republic goes to hell. As I said, it is interesting, but the plot drives the prequels, as with the OT, the characters drove the plot. Each movie sets up the next one in the PT, as the society gets progressively worse into ROTS. There are many scenes in the senate, that are just about pure politics, and again, they are very interesting, but fun?

The story of Anakin is a tragic one, and an interesting one, but as compared to Luke, Leia, and Han, will you want to watch it 10-20 years from now. It is a simple tale of a boy who becomes evil, and ends tragically in Episode III, as the OT ends on an uplifting note. The PT so focuses on Anakin, if you don't love his story, how can you love the trilogy? Atleast with the OT, Han, Leia, and Luke get the bulk of every movie, so you can take your pick on who you love. For me, it was always Luke, but to many of my friends, they wanted to be Han Solo, and every girl I knew wanted to be Leia.

I think that the PT, even if done to perfection by Lucas, still wouldn't eclipse the OT. I mean the reason we are all here 25 years later is the replay value of the OT, they are fun movies to watch. Now true they are great movie as I consider SW & ESB true classics, but there is no set of movies with the replay value of the OT. 20 years from now, would the PT be fun to watch even if it were great? Would you want to follow a bunch of Jedi & Politicans around for 3 movies, as to following Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, and Darth Vader for the other 3?

I just think the OT had that magic, and I don't think it could have been repeated for another 3 movies even if Kurtz, Kasdan, and Kershner were working with Lucas. Sure, it would have been better, but again, I don't think the magic was ever going to be there, the OT was able to capture that with once in a life-time characters that anyone could relate to. I think we all forget the power of great characters, and the OT hit a homerun with the three leads.


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The prequels did one nice thing, which is they really made me like Return of the Jedi a lot more (the old version). It's obviously snappier and more fun than I-III, but also some of the weaker parts of Jedi are okay by me now. The idea of Luke and Leia being brother and sister was always pretty lame, but now, in context, I actually kind of like seeing the twins reunited. Also, the emperor is a lot more interesting now. Before he was just kind of a typical sneering movie villain. And even the look of Endor is okay. Watching the whole saga over a week, I had so much CGI coming out of my ass, that by the time I got to ep. 6, a simple forest was kind of refreshing.