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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Hey everyone! So I've been uploading most of the huge, 1GB collection of scans of artwork from the collection of Andreas Wessel-Therhorn. This is because I'm leaving for the weekend and I wanted to give you all something big to chew on. =)


http://orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn


There you are. Mostly pencil drawings. They've mostly been scanned in two or more parts because they wouldn't fit on the scanner, so anyone wanting to patch them together in Photoshop, that kind of thing. To do anything with them you'll have to do that.

All are quite large.


This isn't the whole collection, but it is most of it. Maybe I'll upload the Ken Harris "Thief in tree/awning" and Art Babbit "Get those balls" sequences some other time ...

These would be a good basis to trace as fanart, or to play with in Photoshop.
I outta try to do that!

There have been no takers for OCRing that collection of articles. Anyone?
I'm still wondering whether or not to ask. I haven't done anything like this before, and not sure where to begin in it.

EDIT:

Fellow in Australia believes he can get a 16mm copy of The Little Island converted, for the tune of $50 Australian for miniDV, $60 for a DVD. He can also get The Dermis Probe, probably for free.

That's cool!

Sounds like another excuse to spend money! I'm tapped out to negative levels right now though. Maybe I can ask a few of the regulars here to throw $5 apiece into the tygerbug at yahoo paypal?

Perhaps I should do so as well, I'll get paid next week so I'll see if I have an extra $5 to spare!

By the way, I've mailed out a package to you, which probably will be sent to your place on Tuesday or so. I managed to send out a few discs to you and a drawing I did for fun (you can do whatever you want with it, though it would be a little late given that it's themed to Easter).
Yours truly,
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Just a thought Garrett--

Seeing as how I have experience OCRing stuff (probably a lot more than anybody else you would run into), if you want, the book project could be handed off to the next person (haven't started yet), and I could start OCRing the articles.

If you want to do that, post here or drop me an email, letting me know what format(s) you want, such as PDF, Word, txt, etc. I'm pretty sure you want to just archive the text itself in rtf format or something like that, but secondarily, it is quite easy to OCR the text while leaving the images in the articles intact, if you want to preserve the actual pages themselves in PDF format.

Like I said, let me know what you think of the proposition.
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disney did not only rip off the thief and the cobbler for aladdin but they also ripped off kimba the white lion for The lion king.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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The organizing of the text is much more of a difficult and important job, though.

Well, you can hand off what I gave you to DrGonzo I guess ...
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Thanks Chris!


You should scan that drawing if you've still got a copy .... to stay on time for easter.

OK, you asked for it!
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6317/easterbunny0rn.gif
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Gonzo-

If you can deal with it right now, it's yours. I sent you the necessary documents, and an explanation of what's going on. If you can't deal with it right now, let me know. Otherwise, when you're ready to hand it off, let me know. I just can't deal with a project of this scale right now.

Garrett-

I know the OCR stuff isn't the greatest priority right now, but I didn't fully realize what I was getting myself into, and I just don't have time for it at this moment. So I'll get the OCR stuff out of the way for the moment, and then take the big project off of Gonzo's hands whenever he's ready--assuming he's ready for it at the moment.
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Garett. thanks so much for all your hard, hard work. And also for turning me on to this film.
I had no clue it exsited, and i cant wait to see your version. I have the recent MYSPLEEN
donwload, but i refuse to watch it, as i know your version is gonna be the one to watch.
Check your paypal account. ;-)

Win
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Here's four stitches I did on Zig-Zag's Lackeys:

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeys1.jpg

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeys2.jpg

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeys3.jpg

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeys4.jpg

I did them at ultra high-res, so these are just resizes.

By the way... does anyone else notice that everyone wears at hat except for the Mad Holy Old Witch and the brigands?

EDIT: I was wrong, the brigands DO wear helmets! I guess that means the witch is the only one... perhaps it's a wig?
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Apologies for the horrible Photoshop job ... I'm on a computer without Photoshop or any good graphics programs ...

But thought I'd send out a holiday greeting.

http://orangecow.org/thief/easterrichardwilliams.jpg

Festive!
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Apologies for the horrible Photoshop job ... I'm on a computer without Photoshop or any good graphics programs ...

But thought I'd send out a holiday greeting.

http://orangecow.org/thief/easterrichardwilliams.jpg

Festive!


http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/thiefeggs.jpg

Oh, I was bored and decided to go frame by frame on some shots looking for hidden stuff. The sign the thief flies over (PRAYER EXIT) has graffiti all over it... including "Yankee Go Home", "Piss Off Brits", "Now is the time for good men...", "The end is nigh", etc.

There's some really funny drafting errors in the Calvert animation...

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/tackwtf.jpg
Ouch!

Throughout this shot, the brigands on the left are just one stationary cel:
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/brigandsnomove.jpg

Also, there's a framing mistake in one shot:

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/thiefunfinished.jpg

They forgot to add in the support wires for a few frames here:
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/nowires.jpg
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Actually, that Tack & Yumyum shot isn't an error, that's something I created. It isn't very good. See, I didn't have that shot in widescreen, except that they reused the same animation in "Beem Bom." But it turned out the "Beem Bom" version was heavily cropped. So I used the sides of the "Beem Bom" version, but they only gave me parts of Tack/Yum Yum. Hmmm ...
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Actually, that Tack & Yumyum shot isn't an error, that's something I created. It isn't very good. See, I didn't have that shot in widescreen, except that they reused the same animation in "Beem Bom." But it turned out the "Beem Bom" version was heavily cropped. So I used the sides of the "Beem Bom" version, but they only gave me parts of Tack/Yum Yum. Hmmm ...

Heh, I was looking more at the off-model nature of the characters in that shot personally (especially Tack's mouth gaping open, it just looks so noticable).

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Originally posted by: Studio Toledo
Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Actually, that Tack & Yumyum shot isn't an error, that's something I created. It isn't very good. See, I didn't have that shot in widescreen, except that they reused the same animation in "Beem Bom." But it turned out the "Beem Bom" version was heavily cropped. So I used the sides of the "Beem Bom" version, but they only gave me parts of Tack/Yum Yum. Hmmm ...

Heh, I was looking more at the off-model nature of the characters in that shot personally (especially Tack's mouth gaping open, it just looks so noticable).


Yeah, I was referring to the hilarious way Tack's mouth is drawn. It looks like the tack is going through his tongue. A lot of your composites during the witch sequence are pretty seamless in normal viewing thanks to the problem shots being so brief.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
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Latest news!


Including BIG NEWS that a new DVD has already been added to our lineup, and it's a doozy ...

Animator Holger Leihe has sent me a DVD with several things he got from Roy Naisbitt on it. Included on the disc are a few things Roy didn't send me ... so this is remarkable to see.

First on the disc is a documentary which is marked 1966 (!) ... when I interviewed Roy on the phone, I talked about the "bread" scene from Nasrudin, which seems to appear in the One Pair of Eyes documentary (which Tahir Shah has sent but I still haven't seen). He thought I was talking about the documentary "A Creative Man," which definitely has most of the "bread" scene in it ... I've just seen it.

Yep, I've just seen moving footage from the Nasrudin film.

The documentary is in black and white follows a very young Richard Williams as he's animating an operatic commercial for Peter Evans Eating House. A very young Errol Lecain animates The Soldier and The Devil, which we see a clip from. We also see a different clip from The Little Island. Someone is working on the titles for I. Vor Pittfalks, a film which won't be finished but we see the titles. Roy Jackson animates a scene for the feature Nasrudin, and Richard hangs out with producer Omar Shah in the screening room watching it. (Omar Shah sits around wearing dark glasses - this mysterious figure was called a "black sorcerer" by some of the animators, and they thought he inspired the character of Anwar/Zigzag. Later he was fired for embezzling money from the production.) Interestingly, even at this crude and early stage (1966!), Richard is having animators redo scenes until they meet his approval - we see a line about bread as animated by an unnamed American animator ... Richard calls it vulgar, and asks Roy to do it with more dignity. This cut of the scene does not show Nasrudin himself strangely - I BELIEVE a more complete version of this scene is in One Pair of Eyes. It's all in pencil test, and shows various pompous wise men answering Nasrudin's question "What is bread?" The final wise man is the character who later became Goblet, the purple lackey. Here he is an older, wisened figure (who can be seen in the Nasrudin books) ... he is very clearly voiced by Kenneth Williams, with the same voice Kenneth Williams used as the narrator for "Squidgy Bod" (Love Me, Love Me, Love ME). Goblet is still voiced by Kenneth Williams in the final film but barely talks. I assume Kenneth actually used the same voice?

Late at night, Williams is shown animating a realistic woman for A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. After seeing his simple 60s style this is a bit of a shock.


Nextly, we've got Clapperboard parts 1 and 2. I had guessed this was from 1969, but a careful watch suggests it's from 1972. Holger Leihe believes he might have a third one with much worse picture quality.

Part 1 has better picture but atrocious sound. The picture is good, considering. Part 2 has good sound, but the picture is a bit washed out by comparison (though still decent). I'm attempting to restore the sound for part 1, but it's a difficult battle.

Richard talks with the host at length, it's an extended, barely edited interview in true Clapperboard style. This is the Nasrudin film at its most refined stage, just before it became The Thief instead. The characters are all pretty much in place. He takes us through the introduction of the brigands, with some very familiar looking storyboards, and animates before our eyes a shot of a brigand laughing - a very similar shot is in the final film. We see color drawings of Nasrudin and other characters ... I can barely make out the Mogul of India (early One Eye) and what might be King Nod on the board. Ken Harris animates an early take on the laughing camel. Roy Naisbitt shows us a 3D model he's built of the buddha ruby and the guards around it, which he's attempting to animate in 3D. Of course this is in the final film. Dick shows a cel layout for A Christmas Carol, which has already won an Oscar. Clips from The Little Island, some of which we haven't seen before, are shown. Dick discusses his early work at length. Credits are shown over color art from the Nasrudin film. Sadly they don't show this art without credits over it, but it's lovely, and very un-Thief.

Also on the disc, Holger has included Errol LeCain's lovely titles from The Liquidator. Shirley Bassey sings as a simple animated gangster goes about his action-packed business.

Holger has also included some of the commercials Roy sent him - for some reason, he's only included the Pink Panther ones from the 80s, and a Harlem Globetrotter one (which is excellent and seen in The Animator's Survival Kit). Not sure why, since it's clearly taken from the same long reel Roy also sent me, which hasn't been converted yet. But hey.

The Thief licensing trailer Roy sent me is absent here.


So, this is a magnificent disc. It's all in DVD quality MPEG format, so I'm attempting to convert it directly to DVD. I could really use transcripts of these, and I might convert them to little online videos for the watchin' ...


MORE NEWS!


As I said, we're trying to acquire The Dermis Probe and The Little Island from a source in Australia. He just ran a film festival showing The Dermis Probe. To get the Little Island, he said he'd need at least $50-$60 Australian to cover fees in the transfer. Sadly he's lost his shirt doing this festival, and says it'll be a while before he can afford to afford this. An anonymous donor has pledged $100 to the cause, which was pretty shocking and which I'm very grateful for. Thank you so much. I don't know if this will get this Australian guy moving within the month ... but I'll keep talking to him, see what I can see.

I got the Princess and the Cobbler poster in the mail today. It cost a good bit of money and I was hoping it would be worth it to have a print-quality version of the "and the Cobbler" part of the Thief logo.

No such luck - the version here is a crudely-drawn imitation. It does have the same outline and shape, but might as well have been drawn with crayon. Oh well. I can scan this, keep its outline, and paint the actual gold part of the letters I guess ... but that will be difficult to get right.

Tweaker take note: Sean Murphy has OCRed the Grim Natwick article. Thanks Sean!

As for the rest of the articles, yeah, John, could definitely use your help OCRing those - OCRing is an important job too, and should be done with skill.

I wonder if I'll ever get someone willing to really do the editing work on the articles for this manuscript, though!

Any news on all the transcripts, guys?

Nice cleanups, Patrick ... gonna post the big versions? (Also nice egg pic.)

Nice bunny, Chris. =D
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I sent the stuff over to Gonzo, but I haven't heard a response yet. I may yet have to go back and get to work on the article arrangement. But that's not looking good, as I have a lot of shit to do this week. If Gonzo is dropping out, I can't see myself starting it until next week.
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Here's the huge sized ones:

http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeystakehimbig.jpg
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeysmobassabig.jpg
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeysballsbig.jpg
http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/lackeyscityattackbig.jpg

Oddly enough, the last one seems to be one frame before the first cel you see in the shot.

By the way, I was going to go ahead and burn the DVD-R with the clips, then I realized I completely forgot one clip of Snow White.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Thanks Patrick!



John -- don't stress! If you have a lot of stuff to do this week, do it! There's no rush on anything, and you don't have to do anything you don't want to. This is hobby type stuff, do whatever you like in a relaxed manner when you can.


I am converting the three Making of Nasrudin specials into Quicktime MPEG4s for online viewing. =D
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Hey Garrett, found a solution to the living situation yet? Part of the reason I ask is because I want to know if I should just go ahead and send you my movie at your current address.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Sometimes, people still want to get in touch with me about something, and that is great! If that describes you, please email me at [my username]ATgmailDOTcom.

Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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No solutions yet .... but I can guarantee that I'll be staying here til the end of the month anyway.
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Spent a while on getting the formatting right on the OCR stuff--for those that don't know, before you can OCR an article or whatever, the program has to figure out what's text, what's an illustration or picture, and what's just garbage (specks of dust, blots on a xerox, etc). So you just tell the program to automatically figure it out. Then, you get to go back and FIX what the program just did. For 60 pages, it took about 2 hours.

So now I've OCRed the pages, and I now I have to fix that. Some of the pages are pretty good, and only take 5 or minutes or so to spell check. The most common issues are lower-case Ls and capital Is being recognized as the number "1," or as exclamation points. In contrast to this are the pages that are poorly copies, and use small, funky fonts, and I get crap like this (note, this is actually copied directly from a paragraph that I have yet to spell check):

"H rearm anlMaty apprcprLBle Irtal Williams lurrnd on io anirfa-lion al age Swb ntar lacing Snow rtfitfa irtd tna Senm t>wtlfl F4&H J4 r* li Hii dra »*4 By mc« raponiHl at "boyish.' dw in pan |D rul -nletliOLn enimiuasfn lor ta wort Born "1 TotWfc wtvE hia met**' Trtxhod al ¦« HuatrBbt and Kri IVrtot *ta* ¦ Cinhmercal "rmf. William? K"jfc lo Irtfl OrawinQ bcvrQ V an eH'ly aga and wn> ImtKmJ by lid Disney chB/aclflf* AF 14. Tie mi»fl ¦ pihjmnflQd [Pj Thi^) Id Ihfl Oi*nay studia Vi Bur bank. CaJilo*r*ir and Ihtuugrt a FlVnd dF hil mo[r>wrE mam9«tf ID gam mjrfW-lariCB Ha «poX* 10 IrtB Di*r*y ¦n.naicr? i*lwis* wort r<e riad flffmk*!. Bjid Ihey in ftun vrero Impaiawf *lh lr« younpHflr"? .JadkiaHofl and Ulant ¦ Loll Df peop* al ¦» Ikne *H'a Dh"*T ivi«dcir' I* Of» I0U ar> 4nlBiviai-flr, "ftiil I cduM *clij#lty drt» aHaFir"

I shit you not. Those first three 'words' (H rearm anlMaty) should read "It seems entirely". I think I see five words in that mess that actually OCRed correctly.

Ahh, the joys of OCRing shit...
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Yikes!

LOL.

OCR's a bitch sometimes ...

When I get OCR crap like that, I usually enlarge the thing in Photoshop, and spend more time getting the fields right so the computer knows what's what.

But I defer to you. =D




NEW STUFF!

John Loter has sent me the final articles in his megaset of Xeroxed Richard Williams material.

http://orangecow.org/thief/articlesforOCR

Drawings from the old witch examining Bubba ... the simpler Grim Natwick version of her.
http://orangecow.org/thief/articlesforOCR/pg63.jpg

Richard in his element.
http://orangecow.org/thief/articlesforOCR/pg70.jpg

An early logo for the film, and an early look at the Hands of Fate.
http://orangecow.org/thief/articlesforOCR/pg73.jpg


Oh, and you may have already noticed, but while I was away for Easter, I left the computer on and uploaded the complete sequences of The Thief on the tree and bouncing around (by Ken Harris) and Art Babbit's take on the lackeys: "Get those balls!" (I'd love to see the latter frames actually matched to the soundtrack ...)

The collection is complete ...

http://orangecow.org/thief/thieffromtherhorn
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Nasrudin is in the final cut of The Thief!

Man ... what a great inside joke. I just noticed him.

It was a gag put in most likely by Alex Williams.

It's hard to see in the widescreen version, more visible in the pan & scan. In a wide side shot of Zigzag entering town on his little rug, at the top of the screen you see a man on a brown donkey. It's obviously Nasrudin!

http://orangecow.org/thief/nasrudininthief2.jpg


The colors are slightly changed - Nasrudin's skin is lighter than it's been elsewhere and the donkey should really be light colored or orange ... but it's clearly him.

My my.

I'm attempting to put the making of Nasrudin docs up at Megaupload or something. I'll let you know if I succeed.

EDIT: I've twice failed to upload Clapperboard 2. Crap. This isn't gonna work.
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Clapperboard 2 is up at Rapidshare!

http://rapidshare.de/files/18276830/Clapperboard_2.mov.html

In part 2 of a 1972 documentary, Richard Williams discusses The Little Island and his early work, and shows us some cels from the Oscar-winning A Christmas Carol. Nasrudin has already been discussed in part 1 .... which I'm attempting to upload now.