Originally posted by: Jagdlieter

PS. And let's leave self-defense and rage out of this discussion, we've learned that primal instincts can easily override moral beliefs.

Woah, woah! You can't impose restrictions on a debate this late in the game. Your question, originally, was not "Is violence moral?" It was "Is violence ever
justified?"

You have no argument, Jag! If a man had no family, then you wouldn't be morally opposed to killing him? Bullcrap! Either you're opposed to killing or you're not. I'm not going to ask a soldier, "Hey, do you have a family? No? Good." BANG. Fuck that.

I'm done with this discussion. Jag, you can't have it both ways. Sorry, bud.