Thanks for the title sequence info Chris & Elly! A lot of the title sequences the studio did are good, but not really animated enough to include on an animation compilation. I felt the same way about What's New Pussycat? and Casino Royale which do have animation in them. Hmm.
Eric Campbell -- Ha! He's a dead ringer for Mighty One Eye. Could be, could be.
I could add that to my list of THINGS TO ASK RICHARD IF I EVER TALK TO HIM.
My first two being:
1. Who voiced Nasrudin?
2. Who voiced the Nurse/Nanny?
>>A list of what you still need transcribed would be helpful in getting all this stuff organized.
Well ... the most important thing is the Clapperboard documentary, but I don't really have a proper copy of that yet, and won't for a month (it has to be converted from PAL). I posted an attempt at capturing the audio from PAL using an NTSC deck earlier but it's so garbled due to the PAL/NTSC trouble that it's kind of unlistenable.
So, in a month, if someone could do the Clapperboard doc I'd be much obliged. =D
Elly is doing the Alex Williams phone conversation - good luck on that! I know it's not an easy one.
Chase Mixon, I believe, is doing the Alex Williams interview.
Bobby Youngblood and his brother are doing the last few minutes of I Drew Roger Rabbit.
So hopefully those three will be in soon, as those are all VERY important.
Thank you all so much! I can't describe how much of a help this is. These transcripts are the entire cornerstone of what I'm trying to do with the book and documentary. With these transcribed I can pull quotes and start to shape it into something. You are the wind beneath my wings? Heh. They will of course be nice to post on the web too.
By the way, the insane amount of text and images I'm collecting related to The Thief ... I'm collecting this all in one folder, and this will be released as The Thief DVD-ROM extras in this DVD set. In fact, it already has been - every time I've sent out copies of the workprint itself (or the Calvert WIP), I've included my "collection so far" of images and text with it. The library keeps growing!
I mailed about 13 packages the other day ... mostly large packages of 10 Thief related DVDs, all given as free gifts. I've given out about 300 free Thief DVDs. No wonder I'm broke and getting thrown out of my apartment. =\
Yeah, I'm doing my best to saturate the market, so to speak. Of course I gave out five "Recobbled"s at the Animation Co-Op tonight. I want this cut to suddenly be EVERYWHERE. =D It does a service to the fans to quietly and suddenly replace ALL the horrible bootlegs of The Thief that are out there with our shiny new cut.
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>> Oh....My....GOD!!! I must get a copy of this, and the extra disks (regardless of number). Is there a PIF chain started yet or is is ocp still working on the main movie part (on page 9 of reading the thread now). BTW ocp, I've really enjoyed some of your other dvds that you've put out. Top notch work man. Good luck with the living situation, bro.
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying! =D There will be at least 10 discs for this film, all of them quite good. I'm still working on my final cut of the film, but a rough cut has been released. I don't do PIF distribution. I mail discs directly. The main feature will be posted at myspleen.net for your torrenting pleasure.
>> By the way, Garrett, you've got that Wikipedia article now.
Oh my! Thank you! =D They'll probably delete it again, but thanks for making me feel internet famous for two seconds again. If they delete me again, I wonder if a Deleted Magic article could stay up. They deleted that too before, mainly because I was the one copying/pasting it!
Between that and The Mask Workprint, it was a good day - thanks Alex!
>> how much "leader" do you need on the clips... like, 5 seconds on the start and end? Would it be easiest to have all the clips separately?
Easiest would be no leader, each clip separately. Thanks!
>>By the way, I just noticed one altered gag in the workprint. In the script, the bit with King Nod and the maiden under the canopy... it's left to the imagination what's going on. In the script, it seems like there was supposed to be a gag showing that she's really rubbing Nod's feet. It looks like there was a lot more of a running gag with Yum-Yum breaking her shoes. There's also a short scene with Zig-Zag being pampered by his minions...
And dialogue playing on "Roofless"/"Ruthless" ... and a lot of stuff ...
>> A lot of this script-only material is terrific, so I wonder why it wasn't even storyboarded.
Well, film is a visual medium. I think he animated and storyboarded what he felt was most visual.
>> The whole shapeshifting scene is really goofy, too. It seems like that and the sorcery stuff with Zig-Zag during the war machine sequence were cut out to downplay any real sort of magic. Neither really seem to fit the tone of the film.
I like the shapeshifting scene, it would have fit ... it's very Aladdin though! I imagine it being animated like a similar scene with Abu. Come to think of it, that stuff with Zigzag is kind of Aladdiny too ... you're right, having overt "magic" in this film is different from how it turned out. The film does have a more realistic tone. It works, but hey, I dig magic.
A bit like how, in the Lord of the Rings, Gandalf never, say, changes anyone into a frog. Whereas they'd do that in Harry Potter. Definitely shows one is more adult than the other.
>> My, my... script-type stuff? I want to see this stuff.
For your perusal:
http://orangecow.org/thief/Thiefscript.RTF
Always more fun in this directory:
http://orangecow.org/thief/
>> You know, when I watched the film as a kid, I was always really amused by the idea that Zig-Zag was a really lousy sorceror ... if he'd have done anything that was actually any good, I would have been a little disappointed, I think.
Come to think of it, I agree. Never thought about that before. His magic is of the flashing lights, smoke and mirrors variety. Like a real stage magician.
>> I will never understand why the scene of Yum Yum breaking her shoes was cut... It's cute and funny and gives her a lot more personality than any of the cookie-cutter sort of charactization they tried to give her in the released version... and that great bit of the Thief, too. Gah.
Oh dear. More love for the shoe breaking scene. First Patrick, then Roy Naisbitt, now Elly. =) So much love for the shoe breaking scene.
It's cute and all, but if I were Fred Calvert (and I am, in my nightmares) that's the FIRST scene I would cut.
Take that, shoes!
The scene does nicely cement what one reviewer said about the film (quite aptly), which is that this is a film about obsession. This scene shows plainly that Yumyum is obsessed with Tack. Which is nice.
>> But I've started imprinting this british accent, and it's showing up in my speech a little bit, now, and...I need some sleep.
Oh dear.
That happened to me when I listened to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy too much in high school. I can still talk like Peter Jones at the drop of a hat. (Imagine that last line said in a Peter Jones voice.)
Maybe I should have done Jefferson (from The Chosen Ones) as Peter Jones instead of a stock phony-Brit voice.
>>Love their slam at "Oliver & Company".
Still, I can't help but state I miss the 80's.
Don't say that out loud. =)
I miss certain pop culture things from the 80s and 90s, but not the actual decades. Well, the 90s wasn't bad, better than this decade kinda.
From years of Oliver and Company trailers, I'd remembered Billy Joel's song "Why Should I Worry?" as a highlight. I was sad to actually hear it again in that episode and realize how completely crap it was. The very worst of 80s synch arrangement, a lackluster vocal and the least interesting "verses" I've heard in some time.
I prefer just remembering this song for its hook, which any drunken idiot can sing with an intensity that Mr. Joel didn't quite conjure here.
Drink!
LASTLY BUT NOT LEASTLY:
I'm meeting, hopefully, with Andreas Wessel-Therhorn tomorrow. Well, actually it is tomorrow. In a few hours, then. I should get some more sleep. I'm still sleeping in 4-hour shifts or something.
Andreas is the animator who mainly animated Zigzag's lackeys, Goblet, Gopher, Slap and Tickle. He has saved some artwork from the film and will show it to me.
We were supposed to meet at a coffee shop last week, but due to bus troubles and daylight savings confusion I was late and missed him. This time I'm meeting him at his house, where hopefully he'll still be if for some reason I'm late again - which I won't be!