Originally posted by: Warbler
As for Gandhi
think about this:
If the world consisted of 4 billion Gandhis and 1 Hitler, Hitler would rule the world.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
huh? I think you may have commited typos here. Could you make this more clear?
OK sorry, let me re-write that. All I was saying on that quote, is that the only reason someone would use violence and use it in a justifiable way, would be to END another act of violence. Is there any other reason for someone to USE violence, in a justifiable way, and in a way that bis morally acceptable?
I am not saying that democracy is a bad system or worse than other ways of ruling. What I asked is, what makes OUR side the GOOD one? What makes the violence applied by the democratic regimes justifiable over the violence applied by "our enemy" - which is not really our enemy if you think about it, but still...
Originally posted by: Warbler
you never answered my earlier question:
Originally posted by: Warbler
And what are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
At what price Ric? All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
huh? I think you may have commited typos here. Could you make this more clear?
OK sorry, let me re-write that. All I was saying on that quote, is that the only reason someone would use violence and use it in a justifiable way, would be to END another act of violence. Is there any other reason for someone to USE violence, in a justifiable way, and in a way that bis morally acceptable?
Originally posted by: Warbler
Well I don't know that I'd put it exactly that way, but what kind of government would you prefer to live under? Democracy, Facism, Communism, A Monarchy, A Dictatorship? I'll pick the one where the people decide who the leader will be. I'll pick type the government that believes in equality, freedom and justice for all.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. ?
So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. ?
Well I don't know that I'd put it exactly that way, but what kind of government would you prefer to live under? Democracy, Facism, Communism, A Monarchy, A Dictatorship? I'll pick the one where the people decide who the leader will be. I'll pick type the government that believes in equality, freedom and justice for all.
I am not saying that democracy is a bad system or worse than other ways of ruling. What I asked is, what makes OUR side the GOOD one? What makes the violence applied by the democratic regimes justifiable over the violence applied by "our enemy" - which is not really our enemy if you think about it, but still...
Originally posted by: Warbler
you never answered my earlier question:
Originally posted by: Warbler
And what are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
As for Gandhi
think about this:
If the world consisted of 4 billion Gandhis and 1 Hitler, Hitler would rule the world.
To avoid violence? Yes, I am willing to give up a lot of things. If giving up my life, rights, way of life, religious beliefs and freedom IS going to help in achieving a non-violent future for our world, I would give up those things right now.
If there was 1 Hitler and 4 billion Ghandis, he wouldn't be able to do much.