Originally posted by: ricarleite
Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence?
well, that is the only justification I would accept.
Well I don't know that I'd put it exactly that way, but what kind of government would you prefer to live under? Democracy, Facism, Communism, A Monarchy, A Dictatorship? I'll pick the one where the people decide who the leader will be. I'll pick type the government that believes in equality, freedom and justice for all.
you never answered my earlier question:
Originally posted by: Warbler
And what are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
At what price Ric? Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence?
well, that is the only justification I would accept.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So I guess that killing someone who has break into your house is justifiable. And, for most people, that's the end of the story. "If someone breaks into my home I'll shoot that person and that's it!", but, what caused that man to break into your home? Is it for the money? But why? Is that person on drugs? What was the cause of that personal degradation that lead it to commit acts of violence in the first place?
unfortunatly, if someone breaks into your house, and points a gun at a family member, you usually to don't have time to go back and solve those problems before the criminal shoots your family member.
huh? I think you may have commited typos here. Could you make this more clear?
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. ?
So I guess that killing someone who has break into your house is justifiable. And, for most people, that's the end of the story. "If someone breaks into my home I'll shoot that person and that's it!", but, what caused that man to break into your home? Is it for the money? But why? Is that person on drugs? What was the cause of that personal degradation that lead it to commit acts of violence in the first place?
unfortunatly, if someone breaks into your house, and points a gun at a family member, you usually to don't have time to go back and solve those problems before the criminal shoots your family member.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
degradation that lead it to commit acts of violence in the first place? Is the only alternative to fight it with violence, or can we prevent it?
in the long term maybe, but in the immediate situation, no.
How bout we do both?
Originally posted by: ricarleite
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
degradation that lead it to commit acts of violence in the first place? Is the only alternative to fight it with violence, or can we prevent it?
in the long term maybe, but in the immediate situation, no.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Instead of focusing on grabbing more guns, why don;t we focus on how to avoid violence to begin in first place?.
Instead of focusing on grabbing more guns, why don;t we focus on how to avoid violence to begin in first place?.
How bout we do both?
Originally posted by: ricarleite
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
huh? I think you may have commited typos here. Could you make this more clear?
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So please do explain why "democracy" is the one with justifiable means to resort to violence. ?
Well I don't know that I'd put it exactly that way, but what kind of government would you prefer to live under? Democracy, Facism, Communism, A Monarchy, A Dictatorship? I'll pick the one where the people decide who the leader will be. I'll pick type the government that believes in equality, freedom and justice for all.
you never answered my earlier question:
Originally posted by: Warbler
And what are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?
As for Gandhi
think about this:
If the world consisted of 4 billion Gandhis and 1 Hitler, Hitler would rule the world.