Originally posted by: JediSage
I was not talking about you or the general people. I was talking about people who profit from weapons and the violence industry.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Back to my signature from last week... If poverty and social injustice are the only factors in crime why do rich people still go to jail?? Martha Stewart, Leona Helmsley, the Enron group, the governor of my home state, the list goes on....
Originally posted by: ricarleite
Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence? When you figure out how to do this across the globe simultaneously, then I'll buy into that line of thinking.
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
Another stereotype based on indoctrinated thinking rather than facts. I live in quite, safe, middle-class neighborhood. If someone breaks into my neighbor's house and they respond with violence I don't make a dime...And so we're back to the original point. If someone breaks into my home, I should sit down and sing folk songs with the person and discuss how it's not REALLY their fault that they broke in. It's their poor socio-economic circumstances that forced them to pick up a knife and a crow-bar and made them break in during the middle of the night and try to kill me. Water under the bridge!
Have you guys ever realized that all justification for violence is to stop violence? When you figure out how to do this across the globe simultaneously, then I'll buy into that line of thinking.
All I was saying on that sentence you've quoted, is how the ONLY real reason someone would call up for a justifiable violence act is to END another violence act. Would you use violence to anything else, and being justifiable and have you violence act as morally acceptable?
Originally posted by: JediSage
In which way? It's pretty much the whole story of the egg and the chicken, who came first? The egg or the chicken? Who has started the violence? Saddam Hussein uses violence but to his own MIND it's justifiable. That's because he is using violence to impose a greater good over some other violence, which, then, was justifiable. It's an endless cicle. So the ones perpetuating violence are the ones who may begin it on the first place.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Second, violence generates a whole bunch of money to some people who are living in secure, protected and rich homes away from the misery and poverty of the whole world.
First, the people who tend to focus on violence to end violence, is the kind of person who would commit an act of violence in the first place. A generalization and stereotype.
In which way? It's pretty much the whole story of the egg and the chicken, who came first? The egg or the chicken? Who has started the violence? Saddam Hussein uses violence but to his own MIND it's justifiable. That's because he is using violence to impose a greater good over some other violence, which, then, was justifiable. It's an endless cicle. So the ones perpetuating violence are the ones who may begin it on the first place.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Second, violence generates a whole bunch of money to some people who are living in secure, protected and rich homes away from the misery and poverty of the whole world.
Another stereotype based on indoctrinated thinking rather than facts. I live in quite, safe, middle-class neighborhood. If someone breaks into my neighbor's house and they respond with violence I don't make a dime...And so we're back to the original point. If someone breaks into my home, I should sit down and sing folk songs with the person and discuss how it's not REALLY their fault that they broke in. It's their poor socio-economic circumstances that forced them to pick up a knife and a crow-bar and made them break in during the middle of the night and try to kill me. Water under the bridge!
I was not talking about you or the general people. I was talking about people who profit from weapons and the violence industry.
Originally posted by: JediSage
Back to my signature from last week... If poverty and social injustice are the only factors in crime why do rich people still go to jail?? Martha Stewart, Leona Helmsley, the Enron group, the governor of my home state, the list goes on....
Those are white-collar related crimes, related mostly to financial crimes like illegal stock moves or bribery. But what does that have to do with violence? Who said rich people don't go to jail?