Originally posted by: Warbler

And are you willing to give up to avoid violence? Your life? Your rights? Your way of life? Your religious beliefs? Your freedom? If the choice is to give up the things that I have meantioned or resort to violence what do you do? At what price nonviolence Jag?

It seems I have a weak spot! The human in me says that if someone even puts one finger on a loved one, I will kill them(not literally, but I will make things even that's for sure). I almost have two halves; one instinct, and one logic. All of us do.

So, yes I agree that your scenario is correct, if someone else's life was at risk I would do what it would take to save them, even if it meant I had to kill. If my life was on the line, and I had a choice to kill or die; I do not know what I would do, because I have never been put in the situation.

I can only assume that self-preservation would take over, unfortunately, which basically nullifies my previous arguments.

So the real question, what would YOU do? I can easily say that someone else should do this or that but do I believe it of myself? I don't know! And it's plain frustrating! Ok, fine.....

I'm comfortable in accepting defeat. I accept that self-defense is a justifiable reason for killing someone. I agree that Hitler deserved death after what he had done(though I will never truly be able to draw a line to seperate "deserving" and "undeserving"). I agree that sometimes primal instincts are MUCH more powerful than logical ones and result in the 'changing of sides' in terms of morals. And for Chaltab, I accept that not all who enter war on their own terms do it for bloodshed.