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Ok, I listened to Vaughan Williams' other symphonies... I've listened to all 9 of them and I can't find the opening music! I've also listened to several other pieces and it's not there.

There's got to be SOMEONE out there who knows what the source was.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Working on transcribing Richard Williams & The Thief Who Never Gave Up. My work on it has been a little sporadic due to my grandmother being admitted to the emergency room a few days ago. I took on the project as a way of helping me deal with the emotions resulting from all of this. She died Friday morning, but my family as a whole worked to prepare ourselves for her death during the week, and I'm doing okay. I'll be working on the project, between working on something for my grandmother's funeral, and taking care of some stuff with school. Things are fine.

About 10 minutes in, hope to get at least 10 minutes a day done from this point forward.

Garrett, have you found a way to cover your rent? Right now, that seems like the priority. Take care of yourself, all right?
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Hey Ogoggilby where can I find the opening music? I'm a music major and have lots of friends who are music majors so maybe one of us will know what it is.
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Here's the mp3 that ocp made: http://ctufilms.googlepages.com/Thiefopening.mp3


Also, I'm willing to get a donation drive on GBS-TV's forums to raise money for rent if you need it. "Thief" brought in such great ratings (a lot of new viewers, too), so it would only be fair to help out. Just point us towards a paypal link.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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John - I'm so sorry to hear about your grandmother passing away. My thoughts and best wishes are with you.



Spoke on the phone with Sean Murphy (figmentfly) today, about the book and what direction I want to take it in. After his great work on Legend and Buckaroo Banzai, it's nice to have him on board - a good luck charm perhaps to secure an eventual DVD release as those did. =) He's set up a private wiki to plan out the book.



John Loter, a great artist who's done merchandise at Disney, has sent me some rare press clippings, including one from the Nasrudin film with a picture of Richard and Vincent Price (and a vulture) ... Price's character was still called Anwar at this point - a surprise to me. It seems like every question I have about this film gets answered, the more press clippings I find. =)

I've done a huge amount of scanning and OCRing as you know, and scanned all the artwork I found interesting in the Raggedy Ann book. My site is still down so I'm not posting any of it, but it will be sent in the mail to certain people as I build my DVD-ROM library of files. A big library dedicated to The Thief. Heh.



As far as the money situation, yes, it's bad. It's worse than it's ever been, but I'm not one to beg. I've been through tough times before - I'm usually broke! - and I've gotten through.

I thank you for your kind wishes, and it means a lot that people care.


Still, Sean is pushing and bugging me to start accepting donations too. Heh. I have put a lot of money into this project and it would be nice to still be able to send out the hundreds and hundreds of Thief DVDs that I'm sending out for free (sending out 180-ish DVDs this week alone) without worrying about how I'm gonna afford that.

I have spent well over a thousand on this project. I'll admit that. And I'll be spending a lot more.

If someone wants to contribute any amount of money to this entire project, I won't stop you!

Tygerbug @ yahoo.com is the address for paypal.


How's that?




RICHARD WILLIAMS COLLECTION:
+ The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Cut (final version coming soon!)
+ The Thief and the Cobbler workprint and DVD-ROM extras
+ The Thief Who Never Gave Up Documentary/Charge of the Light Brigade/Return of the Pink Panther
+ Raggedy Ann & Andy/A Christmas Carol
+ Arabian Knight Japanese widescreen DVD
+ The Princess and the Cobbler Australian Pan & Scan DVD (PAL)
+ Richard Williams commercials/Animating Art/I Drew Roger Rabbit
+ Rare Thief and the Cobbler pencil-camera tests/The Pink Panther Strikes Back titles/I Drew Roger Rabbit (better version)/A Christmas Carol/Arabian Knight Trailer
+ Ziggy's Gift/Ziggy Cartoons/Fred Calvert's Princess and the Cobbler: Work In Progress Version
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You'll end up getting a donation from me, deffinately. You've put so much into this project already, but I'll be waiting for the final DVD release to grab a copy, unless you think that will be ages away. Regardless, I want to wait for at least the cleaned version of the new workprint. Do you have pictures of that yet, or is it not finished?
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Chris has sent me some pictures of cleanup he's doing on Arabian Knight - he's going to finish THAT first before he does the workprint.

The workprint is of course what I'm really waiting for. Been working on the book in the meantime.



The final cut of this film will be done by the end of April if all goes well.
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Where can we send the money to you? I'm running a drive on GBSTV, so I want to know.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

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Whoops, didn't catch it. Hope we can help out.
"I was a perfect idiot to listen to you!"
"Listen here, there ain't nothing in this world that's perfect!"

- from The Bank Dick
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Arrghh - there's so much I've wanted to post these last few days, amazing bits of information and articles and scans and everything ...

But my webspace is still down so I can't post anything.


...


Patrick, I hate to do this to ya again, but I really HAVE to at least post these. Hope it's all right.

First off - the cover to the VHS of Raggedy Ann & Andy is hideous. So I did this one.

http://ctufilms.completelyfreehosting.com/cobbler/raggedyamaraysm.jpg
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The character scans are from the book by John Canemaker. Most of them were either uncolored (Raggedy Ann & Andy) or were color guides that had massive lines drawn all through them to indicate colors, which had to be carefully removed (Captain, Kookoo, Loonie Knight, Babette, and Queasy). Not an easy job, but quite pleased with the results.


Meanwhile, John Loter has been sending me some startlingly informative articles from waaaay back in the Nasrudin days of the film.

It seems like every character in the film apart from Tack was really created for Nasrudin. The Mad Holy Old Witch was originally The Mad and Holy Old Indian Witch of Benares. (You can still tell she's from India.)

And One Eye? He was originally the Great Mogul of India, on a throne of Indian women. His soldiers rode on giant elephants.

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Here's some art by Errol LeCain, from a Japanese book. Most of these you'll have seen before at Eddie's site ... including the image of Meemee and Bubba (the enchanted Ogre Prince), and an early look at Tack and the Brigands sleeping as The Thief in his tent steals away.

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RANDOM FACT OF THE DAY:

According to Alex Williams, Richard was approached to do the "Carnival of the Animals" segment in Disney's recent Fantasia 2000. Alex says he had some idea for doing it in an innovative way ... which he can't remember. Eisner or some other exec didn't like it after a while, and the piece was done, quite well, by Eric Goldberg (whose two segments were the only highlight of a shockingly toothless film).
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You know, the more I read, it doesn't look like Williams changed the film that radically from 1972 to 1992. It's facinating that he had the bits with the wounded soldier, the laughing camel, and the Mad Holy Old Witch from the start - the drawings look exactly like what's in the finished photography.
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Have Williams' shorts, such as The Island, ever been released on video or DVD? As I've been transcribing The Thief Who Never Gave Up, he mentions these various shorts he made, and I'm surprised nobody ever really mentioned them before.
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Patrick - Yeah, more and more I'm realizing that the movie never changed much ... kind of startling, but it was all there from the start (apart from Tack). It looks like what happened is, he took the Nasrudin film, changed some of the character designs a bit, and had everyone keep animating the scenes/shots which didn't have Nasrudin in them. Tack became a cipher-protagonist to replace the missing protagonist, and he eventually figured out how to take the entire film without Nasrudin and have that still tell its own story. Using the same shots that had been boarded for Nasrudin. It's the same movie. Strange ...


John - The early films like The Little Island, Love Me Love Me Love ME, The Dermis Probe etc. are not on video sadly. I would really like to track them down. I'll send you these documentaries so you can see the clips from them.



Baz writes (yeah, I won't list his full name in case he doesn't want it listed):

I am a fan of the film also..it was one of the reasons I got into the
business......when I was 10 years old I used to rush downstairs with
great
excitement to watch a show on the BBC called The Do-It-Yourself Film
Animation
Show and was presented by Bob Godfrey (Rubarb and Custard)For a couple
weeks he
had on Richard Williams and they showed clips from A Chrismas Carol and
The
Thief and the Cobbler. There was one scene of a Vagabond starting to
laugh and
bursts out into full laughter..I was just in total awe ..it felt so
alive!..and
it was one of the things that stuck in my head and though "I want to do
that one
day".

Years later I found myself sitting at Richard Williams desk doing an
"inbetween
test" "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". I was so nervous..it was a very hot
summers
day and I had carried a huge portfolio up several flighst of
stairs...and the
sky light above wasn't shaded so it was really hard to see the drawings
and do
the inbetween as the light from the skylight was fighting with the
light from
the lightbox! I was also dripping sweat down on the drawing and it must
have
been quite soggy afterwards!Soggy or not it was enough to get me on a
training
programme for a few weeks and afterwards I got the job and I was on my
way to
becoming an animator!

A number of years later I was working as a Supervising Animator at Don
Bluth
Studios. It had just gone into liquidation and one of the Producers had
gotten
a sequence off Fred Calvert and the completion bonding company as The
Thief had
been taken off Richard Williams and now another studio or Producer was
completing or should I say destroying this film! Well I needed the
money and
took on a few scenes for freelance but felt sick at what I saw. They
had added
a voice to a character that hadn't initially been designed to speak and
added
songs and rotoscoping! This was all against the grain of the vision. It
would
be like adding a voice to Gromit in Wallace and Gromit...it's not
supposed to
happen!!! To top it all the animator directing the sequence had never
had any
contact with Richard Williams and had no concept of what he was doing
and fell
back on poor rotoscoping. I was offered some freelance on a commercial
in London
and gladly took it completeing one scene on the Thief taht I had been
given and
handing the rest back as I really didn't want to take part in the
savaging of
this film. I was glad I did and hate to admit to doing one scene on a
sequence
that should never have been added. In truth though most of the other
animators
needed the money, except the supervsising animator that had never met
Richard
Williams and had probably never heard of him and sadly probably never
wants to.
He lined his pockets and the masterpeice was destroyed....until I
believe Roy
Disney came along to help have it released as it was originally
intended.
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Have written Tahir Shah, who is Idries Shah's son. Idries Shah died in 1996. Omar Ali-Shah died in 2005. I'm not sure about Amina Shah. It would be nice to get the Shah family's perspective on all this ... and possibly even track down some rare film if anyone has it.

Also wrote Tristram Cary, who did music for The Little Island, The Dermis Probe, and A Christmas Carol.

And I wrote someone in Australia who might have a copy of The Dermis Probe.

And I wrote someone at a Kenneth Williams fansite, asking if they know where to get Love Me Love Me Love ME or the soundtrack to Diary of a Madman, an unfinished animated movie which was released more recently as a radio play instead.

The point of all this? To track down the early short films and things we don't have!


THINGS WE DON'T HAVE --


The Little Island
Love Me, Love Me, Love ME
The Dermis Probe

One Pair of Eyes: Dreamwalkers - 1970ish BBC documentary narrated by Idries Shah. Williams is interviewed, and POSSIBLY a clip from the Nasrudin film is shown, involving bread.

Clapperboard? 1969? documentary about the making of the Nasrudin film, The Golden City. Roy Naisbitt has this apparently, and will send.

Appearance on The BBC's Do It Yourself Film Animation Show, as mentioned earlier - with guest host Bob Godfrey ... any other TV appearances not mentioned.

I wonder if any of his Oscar wins still exist, too!

Documentaries with Richard I've never seen:

Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toon Town (1988)
Who Made Roger Rabbit (2002)
The Curious Case of Inspector Clouseau (2002)

Hmm. The 2002 ones are probably on DVD? The 1988 one will be trickier.


Title sequences I've never seen ... I'm sure I can Netflix some of these, if I really want to get into that.

Murder on the Orient Express (1974)
Every Home Should Have One (1970)
Prudence and the Pill (1968)
The Spy with a Cold Nose (1966)
A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (1966)









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Love Me, Love Me, Love Me

A short - eight minutes - neurotic cartoon about a character named Squidgy Bod, who does everything wrong and is loved by everybody. It's also about Thermus Fortitude, who does everything right and is loved by nobody, except his stuffed alligator called Charlie.

Thermus takes a correspondence course in being lovable, and succeeds in becoming loved by everybody except his stuffed alligator, who is now indifferent.

He therefore throws Charlie out of the window, where he is trampled on by the passing Squidgy Bod. The moral? "When it comes to love, no one really has it good, especially stuffed alligators named Charlie".

Behind-The-Scenes

This engaging cartoon (distributed by British Lion) is a Thuberesque fairy-tale which benefits greatly from having its narrative delivered by Kenneth Williams in his richest plummy-idiot voice. The animation is kept to a minimum, the characterisation is excellent and witty, the linking words and sub-headings of the narrative are elaborately drawn in and decorated, all giving the effect of a far-out Victorian picture-book.

Kenneth recorded the narration for this cartoon on 18th January 1962. Kenneth was a talent who Richard Williams used on several occasions. In 1963 he recorded the narrative for Richard Williams's planned animation Diary Of A Madman, the reading of which was later broadcast on radio years after the film had been abandoned. He also provided voices for Richard Williams's animated film Arabian Knight.


Narrator Kenneth Williams


Writer Stan Hayward Director Richard Williams
Music Peter Shade Editor John Bloom

Produced by Richard Williams

A 1962 Richard Williams Animation Ltd film.


Eastmancolor - 8 mins.



The Diary of a Madman

Kenneth Williams This is rather a curiosity amongst Kenneths Work as it was originally started in 1963 as a soundtrack to a short animated film of Nicolai Gogol’s classic tale by Richard Williams. The fate of this film was similar to another of Richard Williams films that Kenneth was involved with voice over work on, The Thief and the Cobbler. Having, unfortunately, never been completed, the narrations performed by Kenneth survived, and it was this that was remixed by the BBC and broadcast.
The discussions about the film took place at Kenneth's flat on 11.30am on the 14th May 1963, with the recording actually taking place on the 23rd. The recording session started at 10.30am and continued throughout the whole day, finishing at 5pm.
It was nearly thirty years later, a few years after Kenneth's death, that the BBC re-edited the soundtrack with the first broadcast on R4, at 8.00pm on the 3rd February 1991. I beleive their was a repeat soon after this, but I haven't been able to confirm this yet.
Dramatisation by James Burke
Music by Peter Shade
Directed by Richard Williams
Produced by Ned Chaillet
Re-mixed for radio by John Whitehall
The last broadcast I know of was on ABC Classic FM on Wednesday 31-3-99 at 8pm (Australia). The recording does exist in the BBC archive.
Radio: Robert Hanks
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Hey Garrett, check your email.

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Also spotted these early films ...

A Lecture on Man 62, Circus Drawing(s), Ivor Pittfalks


Were these finished? I think I've read something about "Circus Drawing" being a working title for a test animation that was unfinished. "A Lecture on Man" was probably finished.

Okay, it says Ivor Pittfalks was not completed, and "Circus Drawings" was ...

Also mentioning other titles ....

The Story of the Motorcar Engine
A Lecture on Man
Circus Drawings
Pubs and Beaches
The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences)
I Vor Pittfalks (not completed)
The Sailor and the Devil
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

Animator. Nationality: Canadian. Born: Montreal, 19 March 1933; emigrated to the United Kingdom, 1955. Career: Worked for Disney and United Productions of America (UPA) in early 1950s; 1955—moved to England: first animated film, The Little Island, 1958; his own studio produced animated films, commercials, and special effects and titles for live-action films; 1992—forced to close studio. Awards: Academy Award, for A Christmas Carol, 1971; Special Achievement Award and Visual Effects Academy Award, and two British Academy Awards, for Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, 1988.


Richard Williams
Films as Animator:
1958
The Little Island; The Story of the Motorcar Engine

1961
A Lecture on Man

1962
Love Me, Love Me, Love Me

1964
Circus Drawings

1965
Diary of a Madman (not completed); The Dermis Probe; What's New Pussycat? (Donner) (animated sequences)

1966
Pubs and Beaches; The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences); The Spy with a Cold Nose (Petrie) (animated sequences); A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum (Lester) (animated sequences)

1967
Casino Royale (Huston and others) (animated sequences); I Vor Pittfalks (not completed); The Sailor and the Devil

1968
Prudence and the Pill (Cook) (animated sequences); The Charge of the Light Brigade (Richardson) (animated sequences)

1969
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

1971
A Christmas Carol

1977
Raggedy Ann and Andy

1982
Ziggy's Gift

1988
Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (Zemeckis) (+ ro as voice of Droopy)

1995
Arabian Knight (The Thief and the Cobbler) (+ sc)

Publications

By WILLIAMS: articles—
"Animation and The Little Island," in Sight and Sound (London), Autumn 1958.

Contrast, Spring 1963.

Cinéma (Paris), January 1970.

Screen International (London), 18 June 1977.

Funnyworld, Fall 1978.

Funnyworld, Summer 1979.

Films and Filming (London), April 1982.

Screen International (London), 11–18 December 1982.

Television Weekly, 25 May 1984.

Starburst (London), September 1985.

Films and Filming (London), August 1988.

The Listener (London), 20 October 1988.


On WILLIAMS: articles—
Sight and Sound (London), Spring 1963.

Films and Filming (London), October 1963.

Roudévitch, Michel, in Cinéma (Paris), no. 98, 1965.

Cinema TV Today (London), 9 December 1972.

Filmmakers Newsletter (Ward Hill, Massachusetts), May 1973.

Monthly Film Bulletin (London), October 1973, additions in February 1974.

Movie Maker (London), December 1975.

Stills (London), May/June 1983.

National Film Theatre Booklet (London), April 1985.

Film Comment (New York), July/August 1988.

Times (London), 1 September 1989.

Films in Review (New York), November-December 1995.

Duncan, Celia, in Screen International (London), 22 March 1996.

Animato! (Springfield), no. 35, Summer 1996.
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Just want to say HELLO! This is my first time here, but my handle should give away who I am (unless someone doesn't spill the beans).

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Also spotted these early films ...

A Lecture on Man 62, Circus Drawing(s), Ivor Pittfalks


Were these finished? I think I've read something about "Circus Drawing" being a working title for a test animation that was unfinished. "A Lecture on Man" was probably finished.

Okay, it says Ivor Pittfalks was not completed, and "Circus Drawings" was ...

Also mentioning other titles ....

The Story of the Motorcar Engine
A Lecture on Man
Circus Drawings
Pubs and Beaches
The Liquidator (Cardiff) (animated sequences)
I Vor Pittfalks (not completed)
The Sailor and the Devil
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

Animator. Nationality: Canadian. Born: Montreal, 19 March 1933; emigrated to the United Kingdom, 1955. Career: Worked for Disney and United Productions of America (UPA) in early 1950s; 1955—moved to England: first animated film, The Little Island, 1958; his own studio produced animated films, commercials, and special effects and titles for live-action films; 1992—forced to close studio. Awards: Academy Award, for A Christmas Carol, 1971; Special Achievement Award and Visual Effects Academy Award, and two British Academy Awards, for Who Framed Roger Rabbit?, 1988.


Richard Williams
Films as Animator:
1958
The Little Island; The Story of the Motorcar Engine

1961
A Lecture on Man
I'd like to bet "Story of a Motorcar Engine" and "A Lecture on Man" were probably sponcered films for some goverment agency in England.

While we were on the subject of obtaining "The Little Island", one person requested simularly on Usenet nearly a decade ago....
from Google's Usenet Archive...

Wouldn't have mind obtaining a 35mm print if that was the last resort (though the expenses to transfer it to video or some digital source could be quite high, unless a 16mm copy isn't found).

1962
Love Me, Love Me, Love Me
Quite facinating to read about this film. Liked noticing a few of Bob Godfrey's men also involved in this such as Stan Heyward in the story.

1969
Don't Drink the Water (Morris) (animated sequences)

HA! I think I have this film on tape in my collection! Have to see if that animated bit is in it or not.

Publications

By WILLIAMS: articles—
"Animation and The Little Island," in Sight and Sound (London), Autumn 1958.

Contrast, Spring 1963.

Cinéma (Paris), January 1970.

Screen International (London), 18 June 1977.

Funnyworld, Fall 1978.

Funnyworld, Summer 1979.

Films and Filming (London), April 1982.

Screen International (London), 11–18 December 1982.

Television Weekly, 25 May 1984.

Starburst (London), September 1985.

Films and Filming (London), August 1988.

The Listener (London), 20 October 1988.


On WILLIAMS: articles—
Sight and Sound (London), Spring 1963.

Films and Filming (London), October 1963.

Roudévitch, Michel, in Cinéma (Paris), no. 98, 1965.

Cinema TV Today (London), 9 December 1972.

Filmmakers Newsletter (Ward Hill, Massachusetts), May 1973.

Monthly Film Bulletin (London), October 1973, additions in February 1974.

Movie Maker (London), December 1975.

Stills (London), May/June 1983.

National Film Theatre Booklet (London), April 1985.

Film Comment (New York), July/August 1988.

Times (London), 1 September 1989.

Films in Review (New York), November-December 1995.

Duncan, Celia, in Screen International (London), 22 March 1996.

Animato! (Springfield), no. 35, Summer 1996.

Neat if you can hunt down these articles easy.

Too bad I didn't have the chance to ask if you had the chance of telling either Alex or Roy if they had seen Richard's earlyi work or had copies of it (especially "The Little Island" and "Love Me Love Me Love Me" ).

Anyway, hope to post more again in the future!
Yours truly,
Chris Sobieniak

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I don't mean to get too off-topic in this thread, but Studio Toledo, are you indeed located in Toledo, OH or have I made a big misassumption? The reason I ask is because I'm about 20mins south of Toledo in Bowling Green.

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Chris! Good to see you here! =D


Hey, do give me a copy of "Don't Drink the Water" if it's got Dick's titles. =)


I've emailed a whole lot of people trying to track down copies of the "early films."

Disney designer Hans Bacher might have "The Sailor and the Devil" - he lists it as one of his favorites. Written him!
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I don't mean to get too off-topic in this thread, but Studio Toledo, are you indeed located in Toledo, OH or have I made a big misassumption? The reason I ask is because I'm about 20mins south of Toledo in Bowling Green.

Damn! That's way close!

Yes, you were right in your assumption. Thanks for asking!
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You two should hang?



ANYONE GOT THIS??


Waaaay pre-Williams, yo.


In spite of this setback, Miller still had Sturdivant and Citters continue work on "Roger Rabbit." He ordered that live action footage be shot, so that pencil test animation could be layered over these scenes -- to see if a toony Roger Rabbit could convincingly interact with a live action Eddie Valiant.

Early subscribers to the Disney Channel actually got a chance to see this footage on an April 1983 broadcast of "Disney Studio Showcase." Hosted by animation historian John Culhane, this program (which also hyped the then-in-production film "Baby - Secret of the Lost Legend" as well as Tim Burton's TV version of Hansel & Gretel) included a preview of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."

The test footage featured an unknown actor standing in for Eddie Valiant. After exiting an alley, Eddie is suddenly accosted by a giant cartoon police detective. He's then shown drinking at a bar with an early version of Jessica (Who at this point in her development, wasn't quite so voluptuous. This Jessica -- who was supposed to be the villain in this version of the film -- looked a lot like Cruella De Vil-gone-Hollywood). The segment ends with Culhane exiting the Roger Rabbit production offices, just before a fully animated and painted version of Roger strolled through this live action setting.




From this older but must-read article ...

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/article.php?id=416
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Perhaps so. I've gotta finish my movie first before any hanging occurs, though.

Sorry about minorly hijacking the thread.

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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
You two should hang?
Thanks for the thought!

ANYONE GOT THIS??


Waaaay pre-Williams, yo.


In spite of this setback, Miller still had Sturdivant and Citters continue work on "Roger Rabbit." He ordered that live action footage be shot, so that pencil test animation could be layered over these scenes -- to see if a toony Roger Rabbit could convincingly interact with a live action Eddie Valiant.

Early subscribers to the Disney Channel actually got a chance to see this footage on an April 1983 broadcast of "Disney Studio Showcase." Hosted by animation historian John Culhane, this program (which also hyped the then-in-production film "Baby - Secret of the Lost Legend" as well as Tim Burton's TV version of Hansel & Gretel) included a preview of "Who Framed Roger Rabbit."

Wished I had that episode. I only have one of these shows in my collection, "Beyond Tron", of which a clip of it was seen on the 2-Disc set for that film (my mom taped it personally 22 years ago).

The test footage featured an unknown actor standing in for Eddie Valiant. After exiting an alley, Eddie is suddenly accosted by a giant cartoon police detective. He's then shown drinking at a bar with an early version of Jessica (Who at this point in her development, wasn't quite so voluptuous. This Jessica -- who was supposed to be the villain in this version of the film -- looked a lot like Cruella De Vil-gone-Hollywood). The segment ends with Culhane exiting the Roger Rabbit production offices, just before a fully animated and painted version of Roger strolled through this live action setting.




From this older but must-read article ...

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/article.php?id=416


I think some animator who operates a blog has posted scenes from this on his place...
http://www.sewardstreet.com/media/index.html

Should suffice, in case you can get hooked up with this guy over getting this recording or such.
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