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You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread — Page 31
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Those screenshots are great, the work here is unbelievable.
Don't hold your breath, but I hope to be coming back shortly.
I definitely like the idea of going from this to Ep VI next-- The shape of the whole saga is contained between those two.
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As for inserting the death Star into ESB, I think the idea has potential and would definitely help to eliminate some of the the WTF? element of the new death star suddenly popping up in ROTJ. It makes sense that straight after the destruction of the DS1, the empire get to work on DS2, making sure this time to close the exhaust ports. It could even be said that this secod death star was already under construction during the time of ANH, but we just never saw it. The question then is how do we put this point across? Changing the title crawl to include this new plot point is one obvious solution (unbeknownst to the rebellion, the empire has commenced work on a second death star...).
Another, more difficult solution is to somehow have one or more characters in the move mention the new death star. Maybe you could have somebody speaking about the new death star via hologram, which might make any lip-sync problems less noticable (blurry image, static, time delay on the voice, etc).
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
Thanks, guys!
Move the ROTJ opening scene over Endor to the beginning of ESB. (I've always felt that the opening for ESB was a little weak.) The Empire has already started repairing the station. This keeps the Death Star in the story, so it doesn't feel so rehashed in ROTJ. To spice things up, see if it's possible to replace Endor with Mustafar in this opening shot.
Vader lands and tells the new Grand Moff that he's there to get the project back on schedule. Cut the mention of the Emperor. Cut to Star Destroyer launching probes. Then use the ESB Special Edition shot of Vader's shuttle approaching the Super Star Destroyer to get to the fleet, so he has time to check out the fleet and then get the report about the rebels on Hoth. Continue with rest of movie as planned.
For ROTJ, start out with a new opening shot, or maybe heavily modify the original opening shot and have the Emperor show up at the beginning. Commander Courage's idea about moving the Dagobah scenes to the beginning work well, so maybe a new opening shot panning down on Dagobah would work.
Thanks, guys!
Move the ROTJ opening scene over Endor to the beginning of ESB. (I've always felt that the opening for ESB was a little weak.) The Empire has already started repairing the station. This keeps the Death Star in the story, so it doesn't feel so rehashed in ROTJ. To spice things up, see if it's possible to replace Endor with Mustafar in this opening shot.
Vader lands and tells the new Grand Moff that he's there to get the project back on schedule. Cut the mention of the Emperor. Cut to Star Destroyer launching probes. Then use the ESB Special Edition shot of Vader's shuttle approaching the Super Star Destroyer to get to the fleet, so he has time to check out the fleet and then get the report about the rebels on Hoth. Continue with rest of movie as planned.
For ROTJ, start out with a new opening shot, or maybe heavily modify the original opening shot and have the Emperor show up at the beginning. Commander Courage's idea about moving the Dagobah scenes to the beginning work well, so maybe a new opening shot panning down on Dagobah would work.
This is the way to go with the Second Death Star. The opening crawls of all the films will be reworked to some extent, so the concept of the DSII would be introduced in the last paragraph. Pan down to RotJ's first scene. Not sure about referencing the Emperor. Wipe to Probe droid speeding towards Hoth; we've been told the Empire is deploying probe droids, we don't need to see it (like you said it's a boring scene). The film would commence as originally until the Imperial Fleet scene. The shot of Vader's shuttle approaching his Star Destroyer won't match with the shot of the fleet, but the shuttle can be matted in to the fleet shot. With some shot shuffling on the bridge of the Executor, it appears as if Vader has just arrived and is walking over for a status report from his officers. I've cut together a test of this and it works great (other than the needed special effects work with the shuttle). Also, while incorporating Mustafar is an interesting idea, I think it's best to leave DSII at Endor. It would probably be best to try and paint out some of the DSII to make it appear less completed in ESB than in ANH.
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EDIT: Over in the General Star Wars section there's an interesting debate happening about the actual timeframe of the movies, i.e over what length of time do they each take place? The most problematic film is ESB - how long is Luke training for? How long does it take Han and Leia to get to Bespin? Irvin Kershner says it takes place over a period of a few months, yet the characters don't even change their clothes. Are there any plans to address this issue in the Starkiller edit? (not the lack of a change of clothing, but just the ambiguity of the passing of time). Apart from a caption reading '2 months later' I can't think of any ideas, but maybe you guys can.
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Also, now that we're talking about briefing scenes, is there any chance of replacing the DS graphic in the ANH briefing? I'm half cringing as I type this just from being used to it (and they are kinda cool in an old school way), but given the quality of the graphics in AOTC and ROTJ, the only explanation I can see for them looking like that is the status of the Rebellion at that point. They were just winning their first big battle, so that could definitely go for the explanation, but if you don't want to go with that and if it's feasible, it might be something worth looking into.
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Maybe if Jedi starts with the emperor's arrival, there'd still be a star destroyer at the beginning? The whole second death star thing is a pisser. "Spreading it around" like this is cool, and could help. Maybe it wouldn't feel like such a re-hash if the briefing scene is somehow re-cut to grimly emphasize that this time it's an ASSASSINATION. Killing the emperor is the goal instead of another death star graphic, another "knock out the main reactor blah blah" speech...
Well the way I'd envisioned it was the Emperor arrving on the DSII after Luke's conversation with Obi-Wan. "They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor..." wipe to Palpatine's arrival. Also, the entire opening of RotJ (Star Destroyer and all) would be used in ESB, so there wouldn't be an available establishing shot for the Emperor scene as the first shot of RotJ. On the other hand, if we wanted to go that route, it would be a lot more complicated, but we could rethink the openings of both movies, altering RotJ's to transition into Palpatine's arrival, and reference his visit to the DSII in the last paragraph of the opening crawl.
The idea of an assassination is brilliant! It would definitely make the Death Star attack seem fresh and not ANH-Redux. Looking at the conference scene, it would appear the only way to get this point across would be to re-dub and subtitle Admiral Ackbar. I know his voice is a fan favorite, but it would match with the now heavily-subtitled prequels as well. In fact I think almost every alien race would speak their own language, which makes sense. How can they understand each other? Who knows, it's sci-fi/fantasy. Also the cult line "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" would best be cut to smoothly transition from Mon Mothma's announcement of the Emperor to Ackbar's assassination speech.
Who's to say they just didn't wash and re-wear their clothes over the time span?
Seriously though, we wouldn't use a caption card or anything like that. That would not fit at all. Could alternate dialogue somewhere help out? What and where I have no clue. This is definitely something wort addressing though. Obi-Wan trains for 20 years, Anakin for 10, and Luke for (what seems like) a week? I don't think so.
Also, now that we're talking about briefing scenes, is there any chance of replacing the DS graphic in the ANH briefing? I'm half cringing as I type this just from being used to it (and they are kinda cool in an old school way), but given the quality of the graphics in AOTC and ROTJ, the only explanation I can see for them looking like that is the status of the Rebellion at that point. They were just winning their first big battle, so that could definitely go for the explanation, but if you don't want to go with that and if it's feasible, it might be something worth looking into.
Well the way I'd envisioned it was the Emperor arrving on the DSII after Luke's conversation with Obi-Wan. "They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor..." wipe to Palpatine's arrival. Also, the entire opening of RotJ (Star Destroyer and all) would be used in ESB, so there wouldn't be an available establishing shot for the Emperor scene as the first shot of RotJ. On the other hand, if we wanted to go that route, it would be a lot more complicated, but we could rethink the openings of both movies, altering RotJ's to transition into Palpatine's arrival, and reference his visit to the DSII in the last paragraph of the opening crawl.
The idea of an assassination is brilliant! It would definitely make the Death Star attack seem fresh and not ANH-Redux. Looking at the conference scene, it would appear the only way to get this point across would be to re-dub and subtitle Admiral Ackbar. I know his voice is a fan favorite, but it would match with the now heavily-subtitled prequels as well. In fact I think almost every alien race would speak their own language, which makes sense. How can they understand each other? Who knows, it's sci-fi/fantasy. Also the cult line "Many Bothans died to bring us this information" would best be cut to smoothly transition from Mon Mothma's announcement of the Emperor to Ackbar's assassination speech.
EDIT: Over in the General Star Wars section there's an interesting debate happening about the actual timeframe of the movies, i.e over what length of time do they each take place? The most problematic film is ESB - how long is Luke training for? How long does it take Han and Leia to get to Bespin? Irvin Kershner says it takes place over a period of a few months, yet the characters don't even change their clothes. Are there any plans to address this issue in the Starkiller edit? (not the lack of a change of clothing, but just the ambiguity of the passing of time). Apart from a caption reading '2 months later' I can't think of any ideas, but maybe you guys can.
Who's to say they just didn't wash and re-wear their clothes over the time span?
Seriously though, we wouldn't use a caption card or anything like that. That would not fit at all. Could alternate dialogue somewhere help out? What and where I have no clue. This is definitely something wort addressing though. Obi-Wan trains for 20 years, Anakin for 10, and Luke for (what seems like) a week? I don't think so.Also, now that we're talking about briefing scenes, is there any chance of replacing the DS graphic in the ANH briefing? I'm half cringing as I type this just from being used to it (and they are kinda cool in an old school way), but given the quality of the graphics in AOTC and ROTJ, the only explanation I can see for them looking like that is the status of the Rebellion at that point. They were just winning their first big battle, so that could definitely go for the explanation, but if you don't want to go with that and if it's feasible, it might be something worth looking into.
I really liked what DarthEditous did in his "Partially De-Specialized" ANH. Even though the graphics were still Atari quality, at least the weapon's array is now in the correct place (in his version). It boggles the mind that Lucas did not see the need to correct this GLARING error in the Special Editions. So at the very least, we'd go for what DE did with the graphics; anything more than that may stick out (assuming we could even accomplish anything more extensive).
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I don't mind the crude graphics on Yavin. It looks the Rebel base look more temporary. Save the good hologram hardware for a permanent base. The thing I would like to see at least once is a hand-held hologram projector. Any Darth Editous-type work would be welcome.
So if we are changing the opening of ROTJ, and the old opening arrival of Jedi being moved to the end of Empire, I'd suggest using the alternate footage of Vader leaving the shuttle. There is a greater immediacy in this shot that was used in the Special Edition. Vader just storms down the ramp and starts harassing Jerjerrod. The old Jedi opening is iconic and dramatic, but it works best for an establishing shot and not as well for a shot at the end of the movie.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I'm liking all of this. I believe I mentioned it before, but if the briefing is being dubbed, a mention here of Padme and the beginnings of the Rebellion would be nice here.
I'm liking all of this. I believe I mentioned it before, but if the briefing is being dubbed, a mention here of Padme and the beginnings of the Rebellion would be nice here.
That's an interesting suggestion. However how would Leia or Luke respond to a reference to their mother? And where would that even fit in? Here's another issue to tackle: Luke arriving late at the meeting. This is a flaw of moving Dagobah to the beginning of the movie. Any thoughts on that? (On a similar note, it's also odd that as soon as he shows up the meeting ends. I think that was on the "50 Reasons I Hate RotJ" list.)
And Sluggo, the opening of RotJ is becoming the opening of ESB. It's not at the end of the film it's at the beginning. But we do have 2 takes of the same scene to work with here, and it's always nice to have options.
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
CC: They don't know their mother by name, so a reaction wouldn't be expected. Could Luke be edited to show up right before the meeting started and the "I'm with you too" just stays off screen.
CC: They don't know their mother by name, so a reaction wouldn't be expected. Could Luke be edited to show up right before the meeting started and the "I'm with you too" just stays off screen.
I've always assumed they knew their mother by name. It would be a silly thing to keep her name from them. I'm sure Luke knew Anakin's name; we just never heard it until RotJ. Same thing w/Padme. Also, "Padme once thought as you do," is a potential line change for Vader. It would preferably be "your mother," but unless we can Vader-ize other JEJ dialogue, "Padme" will have to do. But that's an entirely different issue that we've addressed before in this very thread.
Having Luke show up before the official meeting starts and everyone sits down could work. I'll experiment with it and see what I can come up with. Also, it would be a lot of work to insert him in somewhere during the meeting, but it would really help to "sell it". That's something else to consider...
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I certainly like where all of this ROTJ stuff is going! The little problem I have is with the sentence above. And the only reason I have a problem with it is because of this: As I understand it, ANH and ESB will now have a SD flying overhead for the opening shot...correct? So what will the opening shot be for ROTJ? I guess I just don't like the idea of having the "star destroyer flying overhead" shot for two back-to-back episodes and NOT for the 3rd...did that make sense? I hope so!
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Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888
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I understand it, ANH and ESB will now have a SD flying overhead for the opening shot...correct? So what will the opening shot be for ROTJ? I guess I just don't like the idea of having the "star destroyer flying overhead" shot for two back-to-back episodes and NOT for the 3rd...did that make sense?
That is correct. The back-to-back Star Destroyer openings had not occured to be before, but they are both different enough to not come off as repetitive.
Besides, the Star Destroyer openings are only a big deal if we choose to make it that way.
That is correct. The back-to-back Star Destroyer openings had not occured to be before, but they are both different enough to not come off as repetitive.
Besides, the Star Destroyer openings are only a big deal if we choose to make it that way.
Exactly. There will be some "tradition" (for lack of a better word) thrown out in this project. This is not to say we don't care about it, just in the best interests in the best possible saga somethings will be altered, re-editied, or removed entirely.
This brings me to: what to do about the opening of RotJ? A pan down to Dagobah isn't exactly the most exciting way to start off the movie. The Emperor's arrival at the Death Star has been suggested, but most of the footage we'd need for that to work is to be used in ESB's opening. So I want to go back to a point mentioned WAY back when RotJ was first brought up in this thread, the arrangement of the Jabba scenes. It had been suggested that the Boush/Chewbacca scene start off the Jabba stuff, with C-3P0 edited out. This intrigued me as it would make the plan for Han's rescue make a lot more sense. However, my attempts at making that kind of re-ordering work were unsuccesful. Any ideas on how to make that work would be welcome.
Status of Episode I: Early rough cut phase. We've had to change some things that just didn't work out in the editing process. Special effects shots are still being finalized, and the sound/music mix is starting to be put together. We've got the framework for the film, but now comes the hard part: refinement.
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Originally posted by: Commander Courage
This brings me to: what to do about the opening of RotJ? A pan down to Dagobah isn't exactly the most exciting way to start off the movie. The Emperor's arrival at the Death Star has been suggested, but most of the footage we'd need for that to work is to be used in ESB's opening. So I want to go back to a point mentioned WAY back when RotJ was first brought up in this thread, the arrangement of the Jabba scenes. It had been suggested that the Boush/Chewbacca scene start off the Jabba stuff, with C-3P0 edited out. This intrigued me as it would make the plan for Han's rescue make a lot more sense. However, my attempts at making that kind of re-ordering work were unsuccesful. Any ideas on how to make that work would be welcome.
This brings me to: what to do about the opening of RotJ? A pan down to Dagobah isn't exactly the most exciting way to start off the movie. The Emperor's arrival at the Death Star has been suggested, but most of the footage we'd need for that to work is to be used in ESB's opening. So I want to go back to a point mentioned WAY back when RotJ was first brought up in this thread, the arrangement of the Jabba scenes. It had been suggested that the Boush/Chewbacca scene start off the Jabba stuff, with C-3P0 edited out. This intrigued me as it would make the plan for Han's rescue make a lot more sense. However, my attempts at making that kind of re-ordering work were unsuccesful. Any ideas on how to make that work would be welcome.
ROTJ
So is the difficulty in this how to get R2 into the Palace without Luke? I know you guys want to start off Jedi on Dagobah with Luke and R2 and have Luke go storming into Jabba's Palace when the plan backfires. The movie (and more explicitly in the novel) has Luke saying to Han that Luke has 'taken care of everything' by making sure everyone got out of the palace to fight for their freedom. This has always seemed to be rather risky and hap-hazard, although it seems easier than trying to fight your way out of the palace. I never really liked it. It just doesn't seem as cunning a plan as I'd expect from Lando and Chewie.
What if we had Bib Fortuna tell Jabba that in addition to capturing 'the mighty Chewbacca', Boussh also captured or seized some of Chewie's droid pals?
Oh, and I am putting a bold ROTJ in my thread in case people want to go back and archive various suggestions for each movie. It seems like something we ought to do to better keep track of all of these changes until a better archival system can be found. If you guys agree, feel free to do likewise.
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Episode I should have opened with a pan down on Naboo with tradefed ships in orbit, then the starcruiser flies overhead.
A great alternate opening for the original ESB would have been a pan down to the fleet of Star Destroyers, with the Super Star Destroyer flying in overhead. I think if we had that shot with a Death Star in there, that would be perfect for our edit of ESB.
Not sure if this would be useful, but on the ROTJ DVD, the menu features a shot of Luke's X-Wing and the Falcon flying down over Tatooine then going in different directions. It's a nice panning shot. Have y'all checked the ESB DVD for any useable footage from the menus?
And speaking of recycling things, if y'all find yourself in need of any small audio clips of Luke, the Rogue Squadron game featured some guy doing a very good impersonaltion of Mark Hamill. This is stuff like him talking over the comm in his X-Wing.
You know of the rebellion against the Empire?
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Why wouldnt you do them in order?
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I put together this little picture to show what I'm thinking:
Frame 1: RoTJ opening crawl pans down to...
Frame 2: ...flopped establishing shot of SSD & fleet from ESB
Frame 3: shot of SSD & fleet approaching Hoth with the DSII rotoscopped over the planet
Frame 4: another flopped ESB shot with a shuttle (taken from later in RotJ when Han & the gang are flying it) rotoscopped in
Frames 5&6: return to normal RotJ Emperor's arrival scene
If this kind of editing is completely unfeasible, then nevermind.
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the two shots that would need rotoscoping will work because
a) its space. space shots are always much easier to rotoscope because the black background hides stuff quite nicely.
b) both are relatively slow moving shots. howver, I would advise against using the rear shot of the SSD twoards the death star II because the same shot is used later in the same film.
