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What system was implemented to rate the covers?

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Bizzle, you got a hell of a problem, don't you?


No, actually. It appears, however, both you AND Boon (and admit it, you either are friends with Boon or you're part of the CBB group) seem to have serious problems with criticism that doesn't pat you on the head first before telling you where you screwed up. Those are the main problems. You're stretching the thread out with all kinds of pussyfooting, complaining and a torrent of sour grapes that isn't making either CBB OR you look all that rational and/or accepting. You're trying to change the rules of the game because the game didn't turn out how you liked. Hell, BOON just put me on ignore.

And lemme tell you, that doesn't breed confidence as far as the quality of their next edits go. I gave them some REAL criticism on how they can improve their releases, and he wants to IGNORE it. But what I'm saying (and what he's backing up) seems to be this:

1st priority is getting the CBB name out there
2nd priority is making the package look pretty
3rd priority is actually editing the movie
4th priority is getting it to look good.

He thinks the picture only needs to be "Good enough" he lets questionable edits go because "people might not notice it." and writes it all off as "meh, who needs to be a quality geek." And that's backwards. Make THE MOVIE the priority. make it look as good as you cand, make it sound as good as you can, make those edits as transparent as possible so you can't tell they're there. THEN start worrying about "Trailershows" and cover art and whether you should CG up some new title cards to slap on the front and back of your movie. I mean, look at all of Billy's major complaints: They have to do with the DECORATION. Menus, trailers, covers, stuff like that. When I put an edit in, I don't load up the DVD cover. There's no way ADM's Hannibal loses to Dezionized because CBB has a "Better" menu (And just because it moves doesn't make it better, by the way) Everything you guys seem to be complaining about points more to the packaging and the sizzle, and almost not at all with the steak. Focus on the substance, not just slapping your name on a label and a dvd cover and a menu and title credits.

But suggestions like that are apparently "Way over the line" and problematic and mean spirited and to be ignored. Fine. Ignore em. Again, I'm just one guy. But don't let that stop you from stomping up a whole barrelful of sour grapes because I'm giving you my opinion straight. You could take that criticism and make your edits a little better, or you could continue to pout and whine. One will make your product more valuable. the other will cause you to stagnate.
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Bizzle, you need way to many words for simple statements. AND I don't have to be a member of CBB to like Dezionized and to use an open forum to make my point about someone abusing his position. But being part of a conspiracy, that sounds fitting to your concept, doesn't it? Apart from bizzling business I am looking very forward to the next contest. Maybe I can become a judge... I am also an idividual with an opinion.

What I would suggest is to create an extra website for the next contest and the ones after that. This would be a nice presentation and something to remember.

Oh, and PD, I am not intending to make CBB or anyone look like anything they are not. Hopefully it is outside of my responsibility what people do think about fan editors. I stated that before, I am just audience. I love ADMs edits and I also dig several others including Dezionized and De-assified. Great work, folks, keep it up (I can't believe I am really starting to justify my actions HERE).

Still one thing is obvious: fan edits are not yet big enough to gain the audience as large as they deserve as well as the interest and the reactions.
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man.. where's GC when you need him? he always has something fitting to contribute.

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Maybe for the next contest all edits must be torrented/posted so everybody - not only the judges - can download them. Then we can have an "official" rating and something like a "people's choice award". If 20 edits enter the contest and lets say 4 people with mega upload capasity would get 5 edits each it could be done, right?
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If there's one thing I've learned about Bizzle over the past 3-4 years, it's that he never pulls any punches and he rarely sugar coats anything. That combined with a keen eye and ear makes a great judge for a contest like this. I personally don't see anything wrong with any of his comments on the edits. He's honest and he gives his opinion like a judge is supposed to do. If you don't like what he has to say, get in line because you're definitely not the first. I think all too often in the fan editing world we're prone to giving people kudos for doing something while we ignore it's quality or it's impact on the film. People like Bizz remind us that not everything deserves a pat on the back and there's plenty of room for improvement.

Dayv has asked me to be a judge in next year's contest. I was almost afraid to say yes because of the negative opinions I have on some of the fan edits I've seen. But the only way to raise the bar is to point out our flaws and strive to make things better. Critisism is just as important (if not more important) than praise.

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exactly.. well said, zion. *pats on back*

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Please, Billy, leave our edits alone. Enough said.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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Thanks Zion. You're a good guy.

Again--yeah, I'm straightforward. I have a subtlety deficiency. But none of these remarks are PERSONAL ATTACKS on your being or anything. They're criticism's of your work. The first thing you should expect when you make a work public is that people are going to rip it a new one if they don't like it. you've GOT to get used to the idea. You can tell when someone's ripping it just to rip it--but that's not the case here. I'm explaining why. I'm trying to shine light on why it didn't work for me. This isn't a commentary on YOU AS A PERSON, but the work you did that you submitted to a contest.

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Originally posted by: boba feta
What system was implemented to rate the covers?


IT WASN'T GRADED LIKE THE EDITS. I PICKED THE WINNER OF THE COVERS BASED ON HOW IT WORKED WITH THE MOVIE. ALL OF THE COVERS WERE GREAT, AND IT WAS A VERY HARD DECISION, BUT DARTH ENZO'S COVERS FOR ADM'S PEARL HARBOR EDIT JUST REALLY CAPTURED THE MOVIE.

HERE IS THE COVER:


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and now the moderator arrives. Zion, please re-read the posts of Bizzle and think about who you are defending and what you are saying. Being offensive is putting it mildly to what he did. And since not only I realized that, I do not understand why you are holding hands here. But anyway, Bizzle, I think your last post was really close to an apology (but of course you will never make one), still there is something you should consider: if you tell a woman her dress looks like sh*t and her makeup does not fit her at all and that if she is going outside and presenting herself to the world like that she must be aware to get bad reaction, which is just being objective and sticking to the facts, then you still have to live with her reaction of taking it personal. There are various ways of saying things and you made your point pretty clear that you give a sh*t about how you say things as long as they are true for you. People, who think that way, are egomaniacs, are sociopaths. Think about that and now give me more of your truth.
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Zion's pretty right in this situation, actually.

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Originally posted by: Billy Mahoney
and now the moderator arrives. Zion, please re-read the posts of Bizzle and think about who you are defending and what you are saying. Being offensive is putting it mildly to what he did. And since not only I realized that, I do not understand why you are holding hands here.

Oh, I've been watching this thread for quite some time. I just never felt the need to post until now.

Let me just say that Bizzle doesn't need anyone to defend him. He is quite capable of that on his own. Nor is that my intention here. I'm just providing my opinion on the matter.

If you want to take what he says personally, fine. But perhaps you should reread his posts and rethink the point he's trying to get across. Not everyone in the world is going to be positive, or water things down so they don't hurt your feelings. Sometimes people feel the need to be blunt and honest. Sometimes those people are judges in a contest who want to give their honest opinion of the entries.

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RICARDO AND I TALK ON THE PHONE ALL OF THE TIME. THERE WERE COUNTLESS TIMES WHEN EITHER HE OR I WOULD SAY TO THE OTHER TO BE BRUTAL IN JUDGING THE EDITS. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE. I SUSPECT THAT WE WILL BE EVEN MORE SO THE NEXT TIME AROUND. I'LL HAVE TO POST MY COMMENTS AT SOME POINT ON ADM'S ROTS EDIT AND REV. B'S WILLARD EDIT. THE BIZZLE SCORE THE WILLARD EDIT HIGH, BUT I SCORED IT LOW. INITIALLY, RICARDO AND I DISCUSSED JUST POSTING THE SCORES AND COMMENTS AND NOT SAYING WHICH JUDGE MADE THEM. HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT EVERYBODY WOULD PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHO SCORED WHAT BY WHOM. MAYBE THE CONTEST WINNER WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD WE NOT LOST TWO JUDGES ALONG THE WAY, BUT I HONESTLY DOUBT IT. HELL, IF YOU THOUGHT TheBIZZLE'S COMMENTS WERE HARSH I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT JAY'S WOULD HAVE BEEN OR BOSSK'S FOR THAT MATTER.

I PRETTY MUCH HAVE ALL OF THE JUDGES LINED UP FOR THE NEXT CONTEST WHICH WILL START IN JUNE. I WANT TO HAVE A BIGGER SUBMISSION WINDOW THIS TIME. THE CUT OFF WILL BE DECEMBER 31st AGAIN, AND WE'LL BE VERY STRICT ABOUT IT. IF THE ENTRY ISN'T POST DATED BY THE 31st IT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED. THIS MEANS THAT THE CONTESTANTS NEED TO HAVE THEIR DISTRIBUTION SET UP EARLY TO AVOID ANY PROBLEMS GETTING THE ENTRIES IN ON TIME. RICARDO, ZION, AND I WILL BE RESTRUCTURING THE GRADING SCALE TO BE MORE SPECIFIC WHICH IS WHAT I REALLY WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT I KEPT HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING IT ALL SET IN STONE. RICARDO CAME UP WITH A PRETTY DAMN GOOD AND EASY GRADING SCALE THAT HE AND I TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT TO BECOME WHAT THE JUDGES USED AND WHAT WE POSTED ON HERE.

THE SECONDARY CONTEST IS GOING TO BE MORE OF A SKILLS GAME THIS TIME AROUND. THERE WILL HAVE TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE ENTRIES IN ORDER FOR THE SECONDARY CONTEST TO RUN. IF THERE ISN'T WE'LL DO LIKE THIS TIME, AND WE'LL ADD THEM INTO THE MAIN CONTEST.

THE COVER ART CONTEST WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AS WELL. THE ARTWORK WILL HAVE TO COME WITH THE EDIT. SO, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OTHERS CREATE THE ART WORK FOR THEIR EDIT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE ARTIST SEND THE EDITOR THE ARTWORK THAT WAY IT CAN BE SENT OF WITH THE DISC INSTAED OF THE DISC BEING SENT TO THE ARTIST AND THEN THE JUDGES. IT WOULD HELP CUT DOWN ON SHIPPING COST. THE ARTWORK WILL HAVE TO BE PRINTED OUT AND USED IN A DVD CASE. IT WON'T MATTER IF A SLIMLINE CASE, STANDARD SIZE CASE, OR ANY OTHER KIND OF DVD CASE IS USED AS LONG AS IT IS INCLUDED. FAILURE TO HAVE ART WORK PRESENTED IN THIS MANNER WILL COST THE CONTESTANT POINTS.

THERE WILL BE SIX OR SEVEN JUDGES THIS TIME AROUND, SO KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR SHIPMENT COSTS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO SEND MORE THAN ONE ENRTY I WOULD SUGGEST SENDING THEM TOGETHER. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST USING THE SLIMLINE DVD CASES AS IT MAKES FOR LESS WEIGHT AND THEREFORE LESS SHIPPING COSTS FOR THE CONTESTANT.

SHIPPING COSTS WILL NOT BE REFUNDED NOR WILL THE ENTRIES BE RETURNED. HOWEVER, AFTER THE CONTEST THE JUDGES WILL BE ABLE AND SHOULD PiF THE ENTRIES TO THREE PEOPLE OF THE CONTESTANTS CHOOSING.

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Hmm ... I dunno if picture and sound should be graded that high. I think that innovation should definitely be a category. That's what I would look for in a fan edit. Whether it achieves its stated goal (usually to improve a movie) should also be taken into consideration.


I've seen and done edits that are clean and as carefully done as possible, but are working from sources which aren't as good (or are indeed horrible). If that material is what you're working with, that's what you've got. Then again, if you're working from DVD quality sources and your cut still looks like crap, I can see a demerit on that. =)


I'm not as big a fan of edits that take a bad movie or a good movie and just screw with it to get their own ideas in. Although yeah, I did a Phantom Edit too, once upon a time. My favorite fan edits are edits that have their own new ideas and bring something new to the table. I love the fan documentary format which you don't see a lot of - Building Empire being a great example ...

I also like the "Director's Cut" sort of DVD ... or a cut that shows what the movie was intended to be during shooting ... That either creates the movie the way the director really intended originally, or exposes and gives a greater understanding to the released cut. I can see why the Willard Ratman Cut didn't get high marks, but I give that edit points because it's a director's cut which wouldn't otherwise exist on DVD. I think that the Ratman cut needed to be done, because Willard had been hacked a bit to get a PG-13, and this restored the true version that should have been on DVD anyway. Director's cuts rule.

A great fan edit should make you think, in a perfect world this would be the DVD. Movies get compromised by the Hollywood system, filmmakers lose their power or get too much power and aren't able or willing to put out the films the way they should be. I'm interested in the Star Wars fan edit as a corrective to the power trip of George Lucas, how he hasn't given the original trilogy the love it deserves, etc., imagining how a DVD would have been done right THEN. I'm also interested in the fan edit that gives the power back to a filmmaker whose vision was compromised by studio politics. He doesn't have the power, and his version ought to be on DVD but isn't. So you make that version. That interests me more than reediting Return of the Jedi to make Luke's saber blue and cut out Yoda for some reason. (A joke, but the equivalent of this seems to be done with the prequels on a roughly daily basis.)

As a filmmaker, I think that every edit should respect the director's intention on some level ... I kind of cringe a little when I see people editing films in ways that aren't what the director EVER intended. I mean, you could be doing an edit that the director would hate you for doing NOW, but which he'd have loved back THEN, and that's cool with me .... but yeah, even the lamest directors kind of deserve to be treated with some respect. When you say, oh, I've taken Wedding Crashers and taken out Will Ferrell's character and it WORKS SO MUCH BETTER NOW ... I just say what? I'm making that example up, of course, but there are lots of edits where I just say, well, that's not what they ever intended. Anyone, at any stage of the production. What truth is there in that edit? There's no truth in that, you've just cut a character out. You haven't exposed any reality about the making of the film or polished it to a more perfect state.

Or if you tackle a movie that no one cares about, and make an edit no one cares about. Yeah, great, you edited Jeepers Creepers. Good job. (Apologies if anyone's actually edited Jeepers Creepers.)

I do like the idea of Batman & Robin Deassified, though I didn't see it. Because that's, well, that movie isn't a Batman movie, and if not for Hollywood bullshit, they might have gotten a real director and made a real Batman movie, so you try to make a real Batman movie out of it.

But y'know, The Phantom Batman Reloaded & Robin ain't never gonna be good. I mean, these are bad movies. They're never gonna REALLY be good.


Anyway.


About the covers.

I didn't enter this, but to me it looked like the cost and time to get proper copies of ALL my recent edits to all those judges would have been a little tough anyway. Having to send that many copies of that many edits with printed cover art too? Jeez, I never send out my edits with printed cover art. And I've gotten good at sending out a lot of copies. I can't imagine how starting-out editors would feel.

Why not judge the cover art on the damn JPEGS, as they are? Posted on the web? This is a WEBsite, isn't it?
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Why not judge the cover art on the damn JPEGS, as they are? Posted on the web? This is a WEBsite, isn't it?


THAT'S HOW WE DID IT IN THE FIRST CONTEST. IT'S NOT THE WAY I WANTED TO DO IT THOUGH. THIS TIME IT WILL BE DONE THE WAY THAT I WANT IT TO BE DONE. LIKE I STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FIRST CONTEST, THESE SHOULD BE LIKE THE DVDs BEING RELEASED FROM THE MOVIE STUDIOS. I'M NOT FORCING ANYBODY TO INCLUDE COVERS. THAT IS UP TO THE CONTESTANT, BUT IF THEY DON'T INCLUDE THEM POINTS WILL BE DEDUCTED.

"I'VE GROWN TIRED OF ASKING, SO THIS WILL BE THE LAST TIME..."
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Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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As I understand it, the cover & disc art contest is a separate contest, so you can still enter with no cover and win the edit contest, right?
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We have an artist creating our covers, who belongs to CBB. There is no way, we can participate without the cover art.

Nothing about fanediting is easy.

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If i could make a few suggestions for the way the contest runs. The powers that be can either take it or leave it.

1) Limit the number of entries per contestant. With enough people i would say one entry per person, as it makes them choose what they think is their strongest edit, and they could later submit another one into a later contest. Depending on participation though it may be wise to allow 2 or 3 per contestant, but i definatly think there should be a max number of entries. It would also make it easier on the judges as they will have less films to judge

2) rework score cards. I know this is being done, but to put in my 2 cents, i think each category should be broken down. have a score for audio but break it down into (suggestions only, not meant to be an exhaustive list) quality, originality (stuff like hearsy mix would get points here), bonus tracks (other language tracks, or 2.0 and 5.1 get boosts here. Additionaly stuff like subtitles would boost the points (and then hearing impaired subs would get even more), this might get put in audio or have its own score. Some of these can even be standard points. ie, 5 points for each track (though they get points added (or even deducted) for quality (or lack thereof)) so just cramming 20 audio tracks on wouldnt really help. similar categories for video, menus, extras.

3) break prizes into categories. I realize this would be hard on the wallet of the finacer, but perhaps people could donate prizes/money for prizes as 'sponsers' to help with the cost. that way you would have best audio winner, a best picture quality winner, a best extras, best menu, most inovative edit, best overal (plus whatever else you can think of)

4) I agree that keeping the pictures seperate would be easier on the contestants because its not fair to have them submit full cases. While it would be nice to have it presented as a 'retail dvd' and even maybe give an award for best presentation its very cost prohibative as mentioned. for instance printable dvd (which not everyone has access to a printer) ~30 cents, dvd case ~1 dollar, artwork ~1 ( i guess, this is dependant on quality produced. if you want nicer quality to make it look better since thats a judging aspect an inkjet wont be as nice. not everyone has access to a color laser printer so those that do would have an advantage. even getting it done up at kinkos, staples, or office depot isnt as nice as a color laser and would prob be more than $1 per cover) Not to mention the time to put this all together. plus postage (probably at least a dollar within the US as a single dvd with no case is about 63 cents. so we are looking at about $3-4 per disc (at least, doesnt include ink if self printed) multiplied by 7 judges is almost $30 to enter a contest, and thats just if you live in the US and all the judges are in the US.

5) more specific submission rules. if pictures (disc/case art) are allowed to be submitted via email maybe set up a gmail account for that. Email must come from the submitter of the dvd the artwork is for, with the title of the edit as the subject (or Fan Edit Contest: 'Edit Title'). all judges could than access this email and get the pictures (or set up rules to auto forward it to them). Have discs need to be postmarked by X date, and discs must be labeled (sharpie with title and editor (name/email) on disc, or 'offical' disc art) possibly also include an index card with Editor name/email and edit title with the disc.

think that covers my suggestions for making it run smoother. Keep in mind, these are just my suggestions to help with the smoothness of the contest and presented only with the intention of helping out the contest.

-Darth Simon

P.S. I also like the idea of a fan's choice category. maybe set up a poll after the submission deadline with hidden results (i think that can be done here) were people can vote for their favorite out of all the entries.

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some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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OKAY, GUYS, I'LL MAKE THE COVER/DISC ART A SEPERATE ENTRY THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED WITH THE EDIT. I'LL SET UP A SEPERATE GMAIL ACCOUNT FOR THE ARTWORK. THE REASON WHY I WANTED THE ARTWORK PRINTED OUT THIS COMING CONTEST IS THAT FOR THE LAST ONE I HAD TO COMPILE ALL OF THE ART TOGETHER ON A DISC, AND MAIL IT OUT TO ALL OF THE OTHER JUDGES. THE JUDGES SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.


ALSO, ONE CONTESTANT DIDN'T SPEND ANY MONEY ON SHIPPING EDITS OUT TO ALL OF THE JUDGES. RIKTER DISTRIBUTED THEM OUT TO ALL OF THE JUDGES. THAT CONTESTANT MAY HAVE MAILED RIKTER ONE SET OF THE EDITS, BUT RIKTER SHELLED OUT THE CASH FOR EVERYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THAT CONTESTANT. I DISTRIBUTED GREENCAPT'S AND REV. B'S EDITS TO THE REST OF THE JUDGES, BUT GREENCAPT COMPENSATED ME FOR DOING THAT. I EVEN SENT OUT A FEW OF ADM'S EDIT WHEN THE CHAIN BROKE.


SPONSORS FOR THE CONTEST WOULD BE GREAT AS EVERYTHING COMES OUT OF MY OWN POCKET. I'M STILL WAITING ON MY PAYCHECK SO I CAN SEND OUT THE PRIZES. I HATE THAT IT'S TAKING SO LONG TO GET THEM OUT. PLUS, THE JUDGES ARE PiFING (OR SHOULD BE) THE EDITS. WHO'S PAYING THAT POSTAGE ??? WE THE JUDGES ARE.


NOW, I REALLY STARTING TO THINK TWICE ABOUT MY ABOVE STATEMENT ON THE ARTWORK AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED OR NOT. I'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THE OTHER JUDGES. THE CONTEST REALLY TAKES A TOLL ON ME THAT MOST OF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.


AS FAR AS REWORKING THE SCORE CARDS IT WILL BE DONE. THE SUGGESTIONS THAT DARTH SIMON MADE ARE ACTUALLY THE WAY I WANTED TO SCORE THE EDITS IN THE FIRST PLACE. HOWEVER, AT THE TIME IT WAS GETTING WAY TO DIFFICULT TO DO IT THAT WAY. I WAS RUNNING OUT OF TIME, AND RICARDO STEPPED UP WITH HIS SCORECARD IDEA WHICH MADE THINGS A LOT EASIER. THERE WAS SOME MINOR TWEAKING THAT RICARDO AND I PERFORMED ON HIS SCORECARD IDEA, AND I LIKED WHAT WE CAME UP WITH THERE.


I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SHELL OUT FOR A SEPERATE WEBSITE FOR THE EDIT CONTEST. I'M THINKING ABOUT MAKING A MYSPACE ACCOUNT THAT THE JUDGES WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS WHERE THEIR SCORES AND COMMENTS CAN BE POSTED FOR ALL TO SEE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.


AS FAR AS THE "PEOPLE'S CHOICE AWARD" GOES WE MAY HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM THERE. THE PROBLEM IS IN UPLOADING THE EDIT, AND THEN PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DOWNLOAD THEM. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS IN THE VOTING. HOW ARE WE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE VOTER HAS ACTUALLY SEEN THE EDIT ??? HOW DO WE KNOW IF AN EDITOR HAS ALL OF HIS FRIENDS STACKING THE VOTES ??? THOSE ARE PROBLEMS WE'LL HAVE TO SOLVE.


KEEP THE SUGGESTIONS COMING, GUYS.

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Limiting the amount that one person/group can send is silly. The cost of sending out discs is already a big limitation. Essentially that would punish people who've done a lot of different and interesting edits.

Ber blah.
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It is so nice you are now discussing the second contest, when not even the reviews for the first one are up, months after it is finished. Of course it was good to get rid of the eternal arguing about how cool Bizzle really is and what his intentions are like (he is only telling the truth and the truth can hurt:

The truth hurts doesn't it, Hapsburg? Oh, sure maybe not as much as jumping on a bike with the seat missing, but it hurts!
) and about reading, re-reading and re-re-reading (thank you, Zion, for lecturing me). Now: when will the first contest be brought to an end and wouldn't it be good to first finish the first before the second starts?