I really hate the fact that the net is overrun with SE and PT fans. The PT fans don't piss me off as much as the SE ones do. I agree with their existence, it's just the fact that they have to worm their way in EVERYWHERE and then they have the balls to WHINE (they think they aren't?) about old schoolers whining for "their precious O-OT". Yeah, I really hate those kind. They need to give some room.