Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
I know this is probably only between you, Jaster, and Chaltab, but i'd like to put my two cents in it:
first, you put a lot of emphasis on chaltab's comment that his family should disown him. now, in my forum "experience", i've noticed that people tend to exaggerate when they feel strongly about something, so i do not think that he meant it in the sense that if he could sell his soul to the devil he would wish for Hayes' family to disown him. i could be wrong though, it's just the impression i got.
Yeah, I'm sure he was probably exaggerating. But that doesn't mean I can't debate his exaggeration. I mean, whether he was exaggerating or not, he still posted it. Besides, it's an exaggeration of is actual opinion, so we're still debating opinions. Just debating them in exaggerations.
Oh, I know it comes off as a hypocritical gesture on Hayes' part to quit a show like this for the reason he claimed to quit. That's not what I was trying to argue. I just think it's ridiculous to act like he's some kind of LOWER LIFE FORM because he quit, since we don't know the whole situation. We don't even know Isaac personally, so how can we begin to judge him based on two short internet news articles? One of the articles was basically just Matt and Trey talking about how stupid he is, it didn't even mention anything from Isaac's point of view. I'm not saying it doesn't come off as hypocritical. Obviously it does. But it's like I said at the end of my other post: 1) We don't know the whole situation, so we can't fully judge it. 2) Even if the facts we've been given are true and there's nothing more to the story, and Hayes really is a big hypocrit, that doesn't make him a bad person. Just means he's human.
I mean, sheesh, we're all hypocrits at some point. It's like lying. It could be considered bad... But it's still a natural part of life. His life just happens to be posted on the internet, and so he attracts derision from people on message boards.
Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
I think this discussion maybe started to focus too much on the cult, and not on the actual news, I understand that is what makes you angry.
I know this is probably only between you, Jaster, and Chaltab, but i'd like to put my two cents in it:
first, you put a lot of emphasis on chaltab's comment that his family should disown him. now, in my forum "experience", i've noticed that people tend to exaggerate when they feel strongly about something, so i do not think that he meant it in the sense that if he could sell his soul to the devil he would wish for Hayes' family to disown him. i could be wrong though, it's just the impression i got.
Yeah, I'm sure he was probably exaggerating. But that doesn't mean I can't debate his exaggeration. I mean, whether he was exaggerating or not, he still posted it. Besides, it's an exaggeration of is actual opinion, so we're still debating opinions. Just debating them in exaggerations.
Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
second, well it is blatant hypocrisy on Hayes' part, even if it's true all the facts are not known. South Park is a show that satirises EVERYTHING. not only religions, but also celebrities, politicians, ways of life etc. Hayes has worked long enough for the show to know this. Many many many groups have been offended by things South Park stated, Hayes is not the first one.
second, well it is blatant hypocrisy on Hayes' part, even if it's true all the facts are not known. South Park is a show that satirises EVERYTHING. not only religions, but also celebrities, politicians, ways of life etc. Hayes has worked long enough for the show to know this. Many many many groups have been offended by things South Park stated, Hayes is not the first one.
Oh, I know it comes off as a hypocritical gesture on Hayes' part to quit a show like this for the reason he claimed to quit. That's not what I was trying to argue. I just think it's ridiculous to act like he's some kind of LOWER LIFE FORM because he quit, since we don't know the whole situation. We don't even know Isaac personally, so how can we begin to judge him based on two short internet news articles? One of the articles was basically just Matt and Trey talking about how stupid he is, it didn't even mention anything from Isaac's point of view. I'm not saying it doesn't come off as hypocritical. Obviously it does. But it's like I said at the end of my other post: 1) We don't know the whole situation, so we can't fully judge it. 2) Even if the facts we've been given are true and there's nothing more to the story, and Hayes really is a big hypocrit, that doesn't make him a bad person. Just means he's human.
I mean, sheesh, we're all hypocrits at some point. It's like lying. It could be considered bad... But it's still a natural part of life. His life just happens to be posted on the internet, and so he attracts derision from people on message boards.
Originally posted by: Han's Girlfriend
I think this discussion maybe started to focus too much on the cult, and not on the actual news, I understand that is what makes you angry.
Nah, that's not what really made me angry. Obviously, any topic that mentions Scientology is eventually going to turn into a discussion on just that: Scientology. The thing that made me angry is how some people seemed to act like Scientologists are BRAIN DEAD IDIOTS. People forget that they're humans, who just got tricked, which is normal... They're not bad people.
That's where I think some people, especially people who are just finding out about Scientology, forget to draw the line. Thanks to shows like South Park, there are now a bunch of teenagers walking around going "MAN SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE DUMB," when what they should be saying is "MAN SCIENTOLOGY IS DUMB."
It's like... A drug addict is NOT a bad person. My sister was a drug addict for a few years, and I know that she's a great person. It was the DRUGS that were bad, not her. Do you see what I'm trying to say?