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All available disc space should be set aside for allocating picture and sound quality with the highest bitrate possible.
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With dual layer, they'll have room for extras.
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There’s room for extras on single layer as well. But either way you are restricting the potential bitrate. Every single byte that can possibly be utilised should go towards the image and the PCM soundtrack in my opinion.

I’d hate to see the excellent image preservation of the X0 being sidetracked into a gimmicky super special unrated extended collectors edition. There are plenty of other sources if you want extra features.
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what resolution are the LD's being captured in?

Also their is mention of 720p anamorphic, why anamorphic if it's to be used on HD displays? surely native resolutions like 1280x768 (or the equivalent in 2.35:1) would be better
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Originally posted by: Mentor
There’s room for extras on single layer as well. But either way you are restricting the potential bitrate. Every single byte that can possibly be utilised should go towards the image and the PCM soundtrack in my opinion.

I’d hate to see the excellent image preservation of the X0 being sidetracked into a gimmicky super special unrated extended collectors edition. There are plenty of other sources if you want extra features.


I agree....if extras are to be put in, they should be on a separate disc...but then again, the class acts working on this probably already know exactly what they are doing (much better than I would ever be capable of doing, I might add) and us talking about it gets nothing accomplished.
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It surprises me that professional dual layer DVDs don't use more of the space leftover. I mean, the actual movie takes up more space than that... just compress it until it fits on the DVD.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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The "problem" is that the maximum bitrate for DVD is 9000 Kbs. That's why studios don't use any "extra room." Movie that are 2 hours have enough info to *just* fill two layers.
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"Also their is mention of 720p anamorphic, why anamorphic if it's to be used on HD displays? surely native resolutions like 1280x768 (or the equivalent in 2.35:1) would be better"

Call me silly, but I believe this question points out several serious mistakes in regards to what DVD is capable of.

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
The "problem" is that the maximum bitrate for DVD is 9000 Kbs. That's why studios don't use any "extra room." Movie that are 2 hours have enough info to *just* fill two layers.


They don't fill up DVD5 space either. The best explanation I could come up with is that different divisions work on different parts of the DVD, so they have to keep a safety margin. But it puzzles me aswell.

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Originally posted by: Mentor

All available disc space should be set aside for allocating picture and sound quality with the highest bitrate possible.

I pretty much agree with that but I also figured that five minutes of trailers wouldn't really make a difference, at least none that you'd actually notice, correct me if I'm wrong here.
I also don't see how a few trailers would turn the discs into "gimmicky super special unrated extended collectors editions". But either way I'll be very happy to have the discs and certainly appreciate all the work and effort the X0 team has put into this venture.
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Don't the official DVD's already have all of the trailers about as good as they are going to get? I would just like to see a high quality release of the movies themselves from the X0 team at this point. Things like the trailers are already available in a high quality format.
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Originally posted by: gltaylor74
Don't the official DVD's already have all of the trailers about as good as they are going to get? I would just like to see a high quality release of the movies themselves from the X0 team at this point. Things like the trailers are already available in a high quality format.


Nope. Not all the trailers.
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Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
The "problem" is that the maximum bitrate for DVD is 9000 Kbs. That's why studios don't use any "extra room." Movie that are 2 hours have enough info to *just* fill two layers.


You have to take into account that the X0 DVD’s will using hungry PCM soundtracks unlike most commercial DVD’s.
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I thought the DVD certification required stereo tracks. They have to have either DD or PCM, which is why DTS DVDs have one or the other (generally a DD 2.0, since it takes up the least amount of space.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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TECHNICALLY the DVD standard requires at minimum 1 DD or PCM track.
A surprising amount of players have no problems with a DTS only track though.

Trailers extras whatever. Extra discs for god sake. If you can't afford $.30 for a second blank... Frankly though I don't see where the X0 project should even waste their time with them.

As far as space on a DVD goes, sure DVD standard can only do a max of about 10mbps (divided between all video, audio and subpicture streams), a large number of 2-disc Special Edition-type releases still only put about 5-6 mb of space towards their movie-only disc.

I don't know if they're lazy or if it's just cheaper somehow to produce. Ever see a CBR 9mbps 2 hr movie only disc? There's space for it on a DVD9.

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"A surprising amount of players have no problems with a DTS only track though."

Oh, I don't doubt that at all. It's just a soundtrack as far as the player is concerned. But DTS wanted their soundtracks to be considered one of the "minimum requirements", so that they could only put DTS on their DVDs. As we know, the DVD consortium said no.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: Mentor
Originally posted by: ThatArtGuy
The "problem" is that the maximum bitrate for DVD is 9000 Kbs. That's why studios don't use any "extra room." Movie that are 2 hours have enough info to *just* fill two layers.


You have to take into account that the X0 DVD’s will using hungry PCM soundtracks unlike most commercial DVD’s.


Exactly my point. Making a DVD with 2 hours of video with PCM audio just fills a dual layer disc.
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If my calculations are correct, a 2 hour film with PCM has the potential to exceed the capacity of a dual layer disc considerably.

Anyway, anyone that needs extras on the same disc can simply compress the material with DVD Shrink and reauthor with any number of extras they desire.
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After watching that great little webdoc, I officially declare the X0 Team amongst my heroes. Seriously, find my MySpace page. I was never one to ask "when's it coming?", but you can bet your ass I won't even wonder from now on. It will be worth it.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Sometimes, people still want to get in touch with me about something, and that is great! If that describes you, please email me at [my username]ATgmailDOTcom.

Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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Looks like I'll have to wait until I get home to check out this web doc, But I don't think I will be disappointed.
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That was awesome. I've always been very curious as to how the whole dirt removal thing was done, and this doc delivered the goods. I can't imagine the painstaking work this must be for you guys, but as a stickler for details myself, I completely understand the level of devotion you're showing to this treasured series of films!

God bless you all!