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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I liked Hayden in the 2004 DVD. It all makes sense to me. I'll spare you the Obi-Wan quote!

I agree.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I know it's been said before, probably on this thread... hell, probably by me, but it doesn't make any sense because it implies that Anakin was never redeemed. I'd go into more detail, but... I don't feel like it. But I do agree it was a crappy job nevertheless.


I think more people wouldn't even notice or care until they see someone on the internet tell them. I wouldn't have even noticed 99% of the SE changes if the internet didn't tell me what they were. First of all it's a 10 second scene and it looks just fine to me. What do you mean Anakin was never redeeemed? Hayden grew up into Sebastian, as seen when the mask was revmoved. Qui Gon learned how to become a ghost and taught Obi Wan and Yoda. At some point one/ both/ all three of them taught Anakin, probably after he died in episode III. The moment Anakin died was in Episode III. Anakin and Mace Windu died together. Darth Vader is who died on the Death Star, reverting back to Anakin after his death. Makes perfect sence. I hope this is something maybe an episode of the TV series elaborates on.

I think this explains it pretty well.

Anakin ashamed of what he did
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LOL...I knew it would be a link to TF.n before I even clicked on it.

"I wouldn't have even noticed 99% of the SE changes if the internet didn't tell me what they were."

This doesn't mean the changes themselves aren't noticeable. It could also point towards your own powers of observation.

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I can agree with the theory that Anakin was ashamed. The old one was kinda "Oh, hello! Remember when I said I hated you and then later cut you in half with my lightsaber?". I just wish Hayden wouldn't start giving his own daughter the classic psycho stalker-look afterwards. It makes his redemption rather questionable!
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The changes are very noticable if you know the movies.
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Originally posted by: skye_solo
The changes are very noticable if you know the movies.


Yes, unfortunately. It tends to destroy suspension of disbelief at times.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I liked Hayden in the 2004 DVD. It all makes sense to me. I'll spare you the Obi-Wan quote!

I agree.

Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I know it's been said before, probably on this thread... hell, probably by me, but it doesn't make any sense because it implies that Anakin was never redeemed. I'd go into more detail, but... I don't feel like it. But I do agree it was a crappy job nevertheless.


I think more people wouldn't even notice or care until they see someone on the internet tell them. I wouldn't have even noticed 99% of the SE changes if the internet didn't tell me what they were. First of all it's a 10 second scene and it looks just fine to me. What do you mean Anakin was never redeeemed? Hayden grew up into Sebastian, as seen when the mask was revmoved. Qui Gon learned how to become a ghost and taught Obi Wan and Yoda. At some point one/ both/ all three of them taught Anakin, probably after he died in episode III. The moment Anakin died was in Episode III. Anakin and Mace Windu died together. Darth Vader is who died on the Death Star, reverting back to Anakin after his death. Makes perfect sence. I hope this is something maybe an episode of the TV series elaborates on.

I think this explains it pretty well.

Anakin ashamed of what he did


I didn't say Anakin was never redeemed. I'm saying that the current version makes it seem like he was never redeemed, if you simply say that he died in Episode III. That's just silly to think. "The good man who was your father was destroyed." Yes, I know that quote. I can pretty much quote all three movies. Just give me six hours. But remember Luke's rebuttal. "There is still good in him." Obi-Wan's statement was an opinion. Luke's statement was an opinion. But at the end of the movie, Anakin says to Luke, "You were right. You were right about me." There was good in him. Therefore, he wasn't dead. He'd just forgotten who he was. Then he died. To say that Episode III was the end for Anakin, where he truly died, is a horrible affront to his character, and makes everything in Return of the Jedi completely pointless.

EDIT: Anakin and Mace died together? Enough of that jibber-jabber, to quote my good friend, Mr. T.

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Well put, Gaffer Tape. That's exactly how I feel. Saying Anakin died in Episode III ruins everything. You're saying that Vader is a completely different character. If that's true, why is Anakin the force ghost? Anakin never redeemed himself then. Vader saved Luke, Vader killed the Emperor. Why reward a personality that did nothing?

Instead of a story of redemption, we have one of some guy who has split personallities that can finally be good after his death. Absolving Anakin of all wrong doings makes him the utterly boring character we had in the prequels. There's nothing left if you ditch that.


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The thing about the HC image is that it's just an alternate angle of the end of the "farewell old friend" scene. I totally saw this in the theater and, forgot which scene I saw it in. I thought I was seeing what I wanted to see then I just re-figured it out. I mean look at it the actions are almost completely the same! Hayden looks down happy looks to his right then, has a creepy/semi-mad face a moment later. This also disproves the thought that he knew he was being filmed for it<edit>For it to be inserted into Return of the Jedi I mean.</edit>.


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it all basically comes down to the fact that lucas never shouldve tinkered with his work in the first place. aside from this many things in the prequels really destroyed the sense of mystery that was originally there, and forcing his original films to adapt to the prequels is a good indication that the effort put into the prequels was nowhere near the level of the original trilogy. the whole concept of starwars was the cliffhanger style where you dont excactly know what led up to the moment. if they would woud've payed more attention to their scripts and screenwriting and if it actually meant anything more than money to lucas then none of the continuity errors wouldve ever occoured. nothing against Temuera Morrison but jango shouldve been made to sound like boba not the other way around. the same goes for the new discussion between vader and the emperor in ESB. its not so much of a problem that changes were made so much as it was so obvious. which none of the edits should have been made in the first place. but none of the CG in all 3 movies matches up with the original footage. the best example would be the number of shots in ANH. if they were going to make changes they shouldve went out of their way to make absolutely sure that the new effects shots would match the old ones. a first step would be to not use cgi but instead use motion control like they did in the first place.
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I think I'm going to like this guy. Welcome to the boards and have fun!

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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"Nothing against Temuera Morrison but jango shouldve been made to sound like boba not the other way around."

That is goddamn beautifull *sniff*

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And that's the attitude I have towards the entire Prequel Trilogy. It should have been made to fit the small amount of backstory that was already there - and that's the very least it should have done.
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I agree the back story had plenty of details that didnt need georges mindless tampering. not only did the original backstory already fit with the original trilogy, it was a more well written story.
and its kind of sad about georges lack of devotion to his own creation the same neglect like frankenstein and his monster. but a good example of dedication to effects is zathura, the director of zathura even said that too much CGI looks like a video game and it totally destroys the suspension of disbelief except for augmented effects and starfields probably 80% of the film was classic blue screen, green screen & models. even the exhaust from the rockets was real fire and all the monsters were made by jim hensons creature shop, (a place that george has forsaken, with all of his crappy CG aliens). this guy was dedicated to making a good film and his choice on how to execute the effects benifited the film. in all honesty I think george just has this "alright lets get it overwith attitude" that and the fact that he knows it'll make money. I was fortunate enough to get scans of the definitive edition laser discs in letterbox and pre-special editions really are that much better.