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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
As per Rikter above, my version wouldn't fit any more audio tracks than just one. This is pure audio/video quality.


You used HDTV2DVD didn't you? what kind of output does it give? I used a few different programs to extract the audio & video, do the pulldown removal and then a 3-pass CCE encode from a huffyuv avi. 4600kbps avg with two 384kbps DD 5.1 tracks.
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Originally posted by: Citizen
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
As per Rikter above, my version wouldn't fit any more audio tracks than just one. This is pure audio/video quality.


You used HDTV2DVD didn't you? what kind of output does it give? I used a few different programs to extract the audio & video, do the pulldown removal and then a 3-pass CCE encode from a huffyuv avi. 4600kbps avg with two 384kbps DD 5.1 tracks.



No he didn't. That's the program that gave my V1 the problems it had.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
As per Rikter above, my version wouldn't fit any more audio tracks than just one. This is pure audio/video quality.
Maybe if you hadn't squandered 20% of the bitrate on encoding redundant information (repeated frames) then you would have been able to fit another audio track on?

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I wouldn't be very happy if I had downloaded 12GB only to find a problem like that. OK, I know my laserdisc rips aren't perfect, but guys, can we have a bit of quality control please?

I suggest you:
1. Check your releases before uploading.
2. Provide a ~50MB sample VOB so others can check quality before deciding whether to download the full release.

Sadly, this is not the first release to suffer from a bad framerate problem - it also affected MagnoliaFan's Remastered Phantom Edit 1.2, uploaded by Rikter the Christmas before last.
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Quality control? Sure. YOU volunteering your time to watch the movies?

VERY few people noticed the issue. It's not as massive as you would expect.

Remember...we're not professionals here and none of us are making money off of this. If you want to bitch, tell your dog.
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Citizen:
I'd be interested in the PAL DVD that you've made (if you manage to fix up the volume of the voiceover track). While my player can do NTSC fine, I have a few friends who have PAL-only players (I live in Australia). So, in their case, I'd like to give them PAL DVD-Rs. Let me know if you manage to work it out.

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Quality control? Sure. YOU volunteering your time to watch the movies?

VERY few people noticed the issue. It's not as massive as you would expect.

Remember...we're not professionals here and none of us are making money off of this. If you want to bitch, tell your dog.


Well--of course not, nobody here is claiming to be a professional--but as long as somebody notices these sorts of things, we may as well be professional about it. I love coming here because of everybody's overly-sensitive eyes and ears that can bitch and moan about the littlest things and turn out real quality work. I say stay the course!

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Originally posted by: Citizen
er, I've just done a PAL DVD of the HDTV broadcast, with a 2nd audio track that has Deckard's voiceover laid onto the rear speakers: <snip> Full 3:2 removal was done to make it progressive PAL, no duplicated or skipped frames anywhere.


- Just the rear speakers, why not all of them?


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Can I make a suggestion? I'm wondering - seeing that someone (Citizen) has already tried to place the voiceover as an alternate audo track - how hard would it be to make a seamless branching disc with both versions.

Let's say someone uses the pristine HD version of the Director's cut as main source, and then:
1) adds the naration where appropriate in the audio;
2) cuts the unicorn scene (that is, separates it) and adds the "original ending" from the best available LD source (since they're daylight scenes for a change, they could be video-enhanced and cleaned, to match the rest as best as possible);
3) allow the end-user to watch either version from the main menu at the beginning - Just like in the case of "The Abyss" and "Independence Day"

It would be sort of similar to the work done on the OT by Metallaxis... except for the branching part.

How feasible is this?

PS: Citizen, any chance will your work be available to the rest of us? It's a great concept.
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Originally posted by: strangelove9
PS: Citizen, any chance will your work be available to the rest of us? It's a great concept.


If he wants it posted to newsgroups he knows who to send it to, hint hint.
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Originally posted by: strangelove9
Can I make a suggestion? I'm wondering - seeing that someone (Citizen) has already tried to place the voiceover as an alternate audo track - how hard would it be to make a seamless branching disc with both versions. <SNIP> How feasible is this?


- I already tried it and the video is way off in both color and aspect ratio so I tossed the idea. BUT I'm sure if someone where to REALLY try it could be done with the right tools (freeware did not cut it for me so I bought TMPGEnc & that set me back a bunch) but I also would love to see a version like that!!

ON a similar note...

I'm still considering doing a hybrid OV/DC audio track for what may be my first edit ever, so if this pans out I may drop a few audio tracks from my HDTV sourced DVD and use them on my edit (If I do it that is)


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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
VERY few people noticed the issue. It's not as massive as you would expect.

I think this is down to the abomination known as 3:2 pulldown, so many people whose tv system is natively NTSC are so used to 3:2 pulldown on films and tv shows that they probably wouldn't notice the repeated frames of your first release. Whereas PAL land people watching it on a PC screen (so the playback is progressive) may spot the repeated frames fairly quickly. (death to NTSC!)


Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: Citizen
er, I've just done a PAL DVD of the HDTV broadcast, with a 2nd audio track that has Deckard's voiceover laid onto the rear speakers: <snip> Full 3:2 removal was done to make it progressive PAL, no duplicated or skipped frames anywhere.


- Just the rear speakers, why not all of them?


Basically I've watched the OV so many times that it's become the 'definitive' version of BR to me so with the HDTV DC broadcast's quality I just had to do something with it except I'd miss Deckard's voiceover, I could've applied it to the center speaker only which would have been easier (I don't have multi-channel editing software so had to place the voiceover manually on two different wave files) but had the idea of placing the voiceover on the back speakers because it would more accurately represent Deckard's thoughts in the back of his mind.
It works well I think, especially when the audio from the front speakers aren't drowining out the voiceover on rear speakers. I'm going to boost the voiceover on the loud sections anyway and do another test.
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NOW that does sound like a very intersting idea my friend and I would love to check that out!

RiK



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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: strangelove9
Can I make a suggestion? I'm wondering - seeing that someone (Citizen) has already tried to place the voiceover as an alternate audo track - how hard would it be to make a seamless branching disc with both versions. <SNIP> How feasible is this?


- I already tried it and the video is way off in both color and aspect ratio so I tossed the idea.


Wait, are you saying the ending from the LD version is using a different aspect ratio and drastically different colors? because, image-wise, that's about all that's needed, to attach it at the end of the DC version. Once this is "in", and the unicorn scene becomes optional, we have both films in hand.
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Quality control? Sure. YOU volunteering your time to watch the movies? Yep. I have been giving advice by PM and email to several members of these forums. Most of the time anyone posts up a sample, I'll download and provide feedback. This particular flaw could have been spotted in 0.17s by anyone with a keen eye for smooth motion.
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
VERY few people noticed the issue. It's not as massive as you would expect. Perhaps the reason is, as Citizen says, those people in NTSC countries are more accustomed to jerky motion from 3:2 pulldown, so are more willing to accept 24 into 30fps with a freeze every 5 frames. Now I am normally the one to argue common sense when it comes to quality, i.e. you don't need dual layer, you don't need a 10-pass encode - but this is a not a subjective opinion, this is a fundamental flaw in your encode. There is an accepted mechanism for putting 24fps onto an NTSC DVD, and this is not it.

Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
... it's absolute crap quality. I downloaded it and wasn't worth my time. Nothing 2 hours should ever be put on a single layer dvd. It's got video noise all over it.
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Moth3r - Any suggestions that you could offer me would be deeply appreciated!!!!!

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Moth3r,

I noticed the issue with my release but thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. No, it's not an NTSC issue because the version I made with TMPGENC is fantastic and doesn't have the same flaws.

it was a flaw with HDTV2DVD. In fact, I sent all my info to it's creator and I won't be using it any more because of it.

And in regards to your smart-ass comment, there's a BIG difference between something that is overall crap and what I released. 98% of the people who downloaded my version of BR didn't notice a problem.
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BTW, in case anyone's interested, a copy of the Denver workprint is available right now on TPB...
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DFNYC, your editions are famous for being nothing but excellent and your reputation is such of a quality maniac. Keep it up.
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DFNYC, you've done superb work with your DVD preservations. As Billy said - Keep it up. BTW I've sent you PM
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EDITED



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Originally posted by: strangelove9
BTW, in case anyone's interested, a copy of the Denver workprint is available right now on TPB...


Unless there is more than one up there, it has two leachers and no seeders
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Okay gang, let's all remember that DigitalFreakNYC has his own THREAD - His release has NOTHING to do with my set at this time so please keep the errors and their issues as well as all the smoke blowing in that THREAD PLEASE.

So please let's keep this thread on topic and about the "OFF-WORLD Box set"



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UPDATE

1. I finished the encoding (V2) but the file size was a bit off from the plan but the sync was fine no biggie (I may just re-encode again)

2. BTW I' will also make a Single Layer Version of the 2005 HDTV Broadcast for those that would like them on SL (No extra audio tracks)

3. I just got my Pink Floyd WISH YOU WERE HERE CD in the mail today!!!!!!!!


THANKS for the support!!!!

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