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Best Picture..........Crash?

Now don't get me wrong, all the nominations for that category were excelent but.....Crash. I thought it was interesting and kinda controversial (not in the Brokeack scale of course) but I personally think Munich was a much more intersting film. The acting was better, the story was more interesting and intense. Very emotional and suspenseful. Just my opinion tho.

Crash just wasn't my kinda movie. It was complex and realistic but not very entertaining and kind of stereotypical. Brokeback Mountain was a very daring, well acted, well directed, and a movie that really made you think about things well at the same time completely engrossing you in what the hell was going on.

But....oh well, it's just the Oscars.

On the more kick ass note, Phillip Seymour Hoffman won Best Actor. I damn near jumped in joy. He finally got recognition for being one of he most interesting actors out there and he did such a weirdly awesome job in Capote. He was so into that character (and apparently stayed in character, voice and all, for like 36 days of his shooting) and it shows.

Rachel Wesz won, King Kong got 2 (maybe 3, can't remember)

In all, I'm kinda glad the academy went away from predictable expectations like not giving Brokeback Mountain everything it was nominated for. It just seems to happen too often, the one film sweep. Extremely few movies can possibly be that good. Again, IMO.

Anyone else catch the completely unedited "talk shit" line in the ...Pimp song. How the hell do they miss that. Kinda funny I think. And the one guy they completely cut off after winning something for Crash, one guy talked them BAM...commercial while the other guy was walking up.

Jon Stewart did an awesome job, even made fun of himself when one joke or another didn't work so well...the intro was great.

I love Oscar night. And now...sleep

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I seen a bit of crash, from what I seen I liked. I was expecting that or brokeback mountain to win. I still want to see it.
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i think a lot of ppl expected brokeback to win. however yes i am surprised that munich didn't win, its suppose to be good isnt it?

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I pegged Crash from the get go, and made all my money back on that one. The only major award I got wrong was original screenplay, which I had going to Good Night and Good Luck.

I enjoyed this year's Oscars, actually, though that might have just been because I was constantly flipping between a hockey game and Mythbusters as well.
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Well, I will give you my opinions.

I think it is great that Crash won. I think it is great,great movie. I think it was unique and different, and contained great story telling, and was certainly not stereotypical. I was very surprised because Crash coming out so early in the year combined win Brokeback popularity put it at a big disadvantage. The others were great as well, (Brokeback I have not seen so I don't know I would like it) but to me Crash was the best. It was somthing fresh and new, not the typical stuff that remake and sequel crazy hollywood puts out. It wasn't even typical when compared to other movies that deal with race. With crash, you could never figure out what was going to happen next. I can't say that about the nominated movies. *gives Crash a round of applause*

I'm sorry, maybe its just because I don't like rap. But I think this years Academy Awards also shows the low state of movie songs with 'Hard Out Here for a Pimp' winning best song. When a winning song has to be censored, it is not a good sign. I can't believe that the best song in all the movies this year was a rap song. Hollywood should be able to do better. (I know will be attacked for that opinion, and no I am not niave enough to think that rap stands for retarts attempting poetry, but it is tempting). And only 3 songs were able to be nominated? Maybe its time to cut this category. Again this all probably because I happen to like music from the 40's and 30's. I know, I'm crazy.

I hope they never use Jon Stewart again. IMHO, he came off as a wisecracking jackass. He doesn't fit the academy awards.

What the f### was happening with Laure Bacall? Her speech sounded slurred. She messed up lines. She forgot the words to her speech. Was she drunk? Is she having old age difficulties? Was she on drugs? Did she had a stroke? Whatever the case, she should not been allowed to go out on stage in that condition. I don't need to watch a legend embarrass herself on live tv. How did no one see that coming?

I think they need to tweek the rule for cutting the winner off. I understand the need to have time limit on the acceptance speeches, tonight it when too far. One example: I forget what category it was(it was one the early winners), they had two people accepting the award one guy hogged all the time and the other woman never had a chance to say anything and was cut off. The bigger example: The big and final award winner for best picture was cut off. That was a disgrace and it was rude. Maybe what is need is a different time limit for different awards, giving longer amounts of time to the bigger awards. I also think that if a category is such that multiple people will be accepting the award, each person should be given a set time limit instead of one time limit for the entire group. Maybe instead of set-in-stone time limit, a human should decide when to cut someone off.

Last and lest, when are men going to realize that they need stick with the bow tie tuxedo at these things? When a man tries to wear somthing other than a bow tie and tuxedo at formal events, he usually looks silly, ridiculous, and stupid.
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Originally posted by: Warbler


Last and lest, when are men going to realize that they need stick with the bow tie tuxedo at these things? When a man tries to wear somthing other than a bow tie and tuxedo at formal events, he usually looks silly, ridiculous, and stupid.


But then you all look like penguins!
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*pokes sybe in the eyes* wiseguy.
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
I seen a bit of crash, from what I seen I liked.


Damn good movie, but now it is time for bed, i need to power sleep for six hours
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did Starwars wing anything hahaha

well anyway yeah i am surprised that munich didnt win best film it was fantastic, i donno about crash i havent seen it ill rent it now though, but yeah i am kinda pleased brokeback didnt win, if it had it seems it would have been another everyone is talking about it, and so it wins deal, i havent seen that either but i might rent it at some point, and watch it with a female friend, couldnt do it with a male one it would be just to ackward from what i hear about the film. hey HLF we are renting this when it comes out
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yes brokeback is not the film to see with a buddy. I'm not sure I want to watch it at all.
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I didn't watch the awards (don't dig award shows) but I am glad to hear that the academy mixed up the winners. I also haven't seen either of the 'big two' flics- Brokeback or Crash- but I've read some interesting things on both.

'Crash' seems to be a love-it-or-hate-it film. I can't say I know anyone in real life who has even seen it but the media has covered it a lot. I *am* glad to see low budget films get props proving that you don't need a bazillion dollar budget to get your name out. I did find it interesting that on NPR this morning they stated that the budget of 'Crash' was around $6 million and that Lionsgate Films spent about $5 promoting the film to academy members. LOL- smelled to me like buying an award but hey whatever.

I'll also add that I always find it to be a bit of a slap to all when the same film *doesn't* win Best Director AND Best Film- the two are sooooo linked in my mind that winning one but not the other seems... I dunno... laughable or something.

I frequently read Roger Ebert's online reviews and in early January he had an interesting 'rebuttal' or defense of 'Crash', which he had picked as one of his personal faves of the year:

In defense of the year's 'worst movie'

BY ROGER EBERT FILM CRITIC / January 8, 2006

Having selected "Crash" as the best film of 2005, I was startled to learn from Scott Foundas, a critic for LA Weekly, that it is the worst film of the year. Writing in the annual Slate.com Movie Club, a round table also involving Slate's David Edelstein, the Chicago Reader's Jonathan Rosenbaum and A.O. Scott of the New York Times, he wrote:

"Not since 'Spanglish' --which, alas, wasn't that long ago -- has a movie been so chock-a-block with risible minority caricatures or done such a handy job of sanctioning the very stereotypes it ostensibly debunks. Welcome to the best movie of the year for people who like to say, 'A lot of my best friends are black.'"

That group must include (understandably, I suppose) the membership of the African-American Film Critics Association, who didn't get the wake-up call from Foundas in time to avoid voting "Crash" as their best film of the year. "The films selected for 2005 boldly reflect a bridge towards tolerance," said Gil Robertson IV, president of the association.

That's what I thought about "Crash." I believe that occasionally a film comes along that can have an influence for the better, and maybe even change us a little.

"Crash" shows the interlinked lives of Los Angelinos who belong to many different ethnic groups, who all suffer from prejudice, and who all practice it. The movie, written and directed by Paul Haggis, doesn't assign simplistic "good" and "evil" labels but shows that the same person can be sometimes a victim, sometimes a victimizer. To say it "sanctions" their behavior is simply wrong-headed.

"Crash" is a film that depends for much of its effect on the clash of coincidental meetings. A white racist cop sexually assaults a black woman, then the next day saves her life. His white partner, a rookie, is appalled by his behavior, but nevertheless later kills an innocent man because he leaps to a conclusion based on race. A black man is so indifferent to his girlfriend's Latino heritage that he can't be bothered to remember where she's from. After a carjacking, a liberal politician's wife insists all their locks be changed -- and then wants them changed again, because she thinks the Mexican-American locksmith will send his "homies" over with the pass key. The same locksmith has trouble with an Iranian store owner who thinks the Mexican-American is black. But it drives the Iranian crazy that everyone thinks he is Arab, when they should know that Iranians are Persian. Buying a gun to protect himself, he gets into a shouting match with a gun dealer who has a lot of prejudices about, yes, Arabs.

And so on, around and around. The movie is constructed as a series of parables, in which the characters meet and meet again; the movie shows them both sinned against, and sinning. The most poignant scene is probably the one in which a mother can see no evil in her son who is corrupt, and finds nothing but fault with her son who is a kind man and good to her. She thinks she knows them.

When "Crash" opened, I wrote: "Not many films have the possibility of making their audiences better people. I don't expect 'Crash' to work any miracles, but I believe anyone seeing it is likely to be moved to have a little more sympathy for people not like themselves."

I believe that. The success of the film suggests it struck a lot of people the same way; opening last spring as a low-profile release, it held its box office and slowly built through word-of-mouth, as people told each other about it. It opened in May with a $9 million weekend, and by September had grossed $55 million. "Crash" and "March of the Penguins" were the two most successful "word of mouth" pictures of the year.

In my original review, I wrote: "If there is hope in the story, it comes because as the characters crash into one another, they learn things, mostly about themselves. Almost all of them are still alive at the end, and are better people because of what has happened to them. Not happier, not calmer, not even wiser, but better."

How, then, can this be the worst movie of the year? It is not only Scott Foundas who thinks so, but indeed even Jim Emerson, who edits rogerebert.com, said it made him gasp and guffaw, but allows, "at least it has the up-front audacity to dare looking ridiculous by arguably reaching beyond its grasp." And here is Dave White of MSNBC: "Kids, racism is really really really bad and wrong. Look, just watch this heavy, important movie about how everyone who lives in Los Angeles -- all 12 of them -- is super racist and awful; it's really funny when Hollywood decides to tackle a serious moral issue and throw star-powered weight behind something that everyone but Neo-Nazis agrees on already."

Foundas in his Slate.com attack says the movie is "one of those self-congratulatory liberal jerk-off movies that rolls around every once in a while to remind us of how white people suffer too, how nobody is without his prejudices, and how, when the going gets tough, even the white supremacist cop who gets his kicks from sexually harassing innocent black motorists is capable of rising to the occasion. How touching."

Of these three, Emerson is at least good-hearted, but Foundas and White seem actually angry at the film, even contemptuous. In a year that gave us "Chaos" and "Deuce Bigalow, European Gigolo," this seems a strange choice of target.

White's comments indicate, I guess, that racism is dead in America, except for neo-Nazis, and that anyone making a movie about it is a fool. How glib, how smug, how insular. It is almost impossible these days to get financing and backing for any sort of serious film; White seems to think Hollywood makes them for fun.

Foundas is too cool for the room. He is so wise, knowing and cynical that he can see through "Crash" and indulge in self-congratulatory superiority because he didn't fall for it. Referring to the wife who distrusts the locksmith, he writes: "when Sandra Bullock's pampered Brentwood housewife accuses a Mexican-American locksmith of copying her keys for illicit purposes, Haggis doesn't condemn her reprehensible behavior so much as he sympathizes with it."

This is a misreading of the film, but look at it more closely: Bullock is "pampered" and a "housewife," yet Haggis "sympathizes" with her behavior. Does he? No; I would say he empathizes with it, which is another thing altogether. She has just been carjacked at gunpoint and is hysterical. If Foundas were carjacked at gunpoint, would he rise to the occasion with measured detachment and sardonic wit? I wouldn't. Who will cast the first stone? And notice that the Mexican-American locksmith (Michael Pena) remains so invisible to Foundas that the actor is not named and Foundas has not noticed that the scene also empathizes with him.

Consider now Foundas describing the black TV director who stands by fearfully as a cop assaults his wife. Terrence Howard, Foundas says, plays the "creepy embodiment of emasculated African-American yuppiedom." Say what? As a black man in Los Angeles, Howard's character is fully aware that when two white cops stop you for the wrong reason and one starts feeling up your wife, it is prudent to reflect that both of the cops are armed and, if you resist, in court you will hear that you pulled a gun, were carrying cocaine, threatened them, and are lying about the sexual assault. Notice also, please, that the TV director's wife (Thandie Newton) makes the same charge of emasculated yuppiedom against her husband that Foundas does -- and her husband answers it. Their argument may cut closer to some of the complex and paradoxical realities of race in America than any other scene this year.

It is useful to be aware of the ways in which real people see real films. Over the past eight months I've had dozens of conversations about "Crash" with people who were touched by it. They said it might encourage them to look at strangers with a little more curiosity before making a snap judgment.

These real moviegoers are not constantly vigilant against the possibility of being manipulated by a film. They want to be manipulated; that's what they pay for, and that in a fundamental way is why movies exist. Usually the movies manipulate us in brainless ways, with bright lights and pretty pictures and loud sounds and special effects. But a great movie can work like philosophy, poetry, or a sermon.

It did not occur to many of its viewers that "Crash" was a "liberal" or for that matter a "conservative" film, as indeed it is neither: It is a series of stories in which people behave as they might and do and will, and we are invited to learn from the results. Not one in ten thousand audience members would agree with Foundas that "Crash" sympathizes with Bullock's character.

They are not too cool, but at room temperature.

Now back to those awards from the African-American Film Critics Association. They named Terrence Howard as best actor for "Hustle & Flow," and Felicity Huffman as best actress for "Transamerica." Hold on! Felicity Huffman is white! How could she be the best actress choice of the African-American critics? Because, Robertson says, they thought she gave the year's best performance. Is "Transamerica's" story of a transsexual merely one more case of Hollywood (let's get this right) throwing its star-powered weight behind something that everyone but Neo-Nazis agrees on already? Or could there possibly be a connection between such an award and the message of "Crash?" Now how about that.


http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/COMMENTARY/601080310

Originally posted by: Warbler
yes brokeback is not the film to see with a buddy. I'm not sure I want to watch it at all.

Again I haven't seen it nor plan to (I have friends who have seen it and say when you strip away the controversy you're left with a typical Hollywood 'its ok to have an affair' film) but it *does* seem like a film that one would take a buddy to... a very special buddy.

But Warbler, why would you say "I'm not sure I want to watch it at all"? You previously said said about 'Crash' some things that could very well apply here:
I think it was unique and different, and contained great story telling, and was certainly not stereotypical.

t was somthing fresh and new, not the typical stuff that remake and sequel crazy hollywood puts out.

So who knows- it might a great film that fits that mold! Take a chance... take a buddy.

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I didnt watch much of this, but when i saw the Achievement in Makup I was glad Narnia one.

It was the only one that did anything special. I think an achievement should have to be something new/groundbreaking or at the very least impressive.

Episode III - what acheivement? Maybe its the whole movie and not just the one bit of make up artistry they show, but they chose to show the emperor. How is that an achievement. it was makeup work that was done in 1983, and done better at that. im sure i dont need to go into detail on how the emperor's makeup was sub par in ROTS.

Cinderella Man - again, maybe its for the whole movie in general (i didnt see the movie but i heard it was good, but thats besides the point) the makeup work they showed was of Russel Crowe with a black eye. WOW, thats never been done before. Those makeup artists really pushed the limits of their field there. the biggest change from the transformation clip they showed was Crowe gaining weight, last time i checked thats not makeup.

Narnia - Like I said, this is the only one they showed that was good. They showed the transformation of some guy into one of the animal type characters from the land of narnia ( or whatever its called). It was actually good makeup work.

I was glad when it won, because giving the award to the other two would have been a joke.

And relating to an earlier post, but the speech time limits. I think this is the one that was mentioned. Howard Berger and Tami Lane both went up, Howard gave a nice little speech and Tami didnt get to say anything...man, i hope she went makeup artist on him afterward and gave him a nice black eye to match russell crowe's from cinderella man. that just kinda bugged me that he didnt leave her anytime for a speech.

anywho, just needed to get that off my chest.

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I went 18 of 24 in predicting the Oscars. I missed Picture, Cinematography, Song, and the three awards for shorts.
I happen to think Munich may possibly be the best, probably the second best next to City of God, movie of the decade so far. I'm glad it was nominated and wish it would have won something.
I saw all the nominees in the normal categories. I thought Crash sucked. It beat you over the head with every conversation being about racism and every character being racist. Brokeback was not a great movie, but at least it was a little more subtle.
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I was considering watching the opening monologue, but by the time I remembered and turned it on, they were far into the actual awards, so I turned on the Law and Order: SVU marathon that USA was playing.

I saw a grand total of 1 movie in the theater this year: ROTS. So I really couldn't care less about the Oscars. I can count on 1 hand the number of movies I've seen in the theaters since 2000.
Let's see...Attack of the Clones, Star Trek: Nemesis, Return of the King, Revenge of the Sith (...were there anymore??) I don't think so.

I'd rather watch an old classic on DVD or Turner Classic Movies than a new movie in the theater.
If I had the money, I'd love to buy an old theater and run old movies in it 1960s and before. If people really understood what a GOOD movie was, maybe Hollywood wouldn't put out sequels and rehashes all the time.
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Originally posted by: greencapt


Originally posted by: Warbler
yes brokeback is not the film to see with a buddy. I'm not sure I want to watch it at all.

Again I haven't seen it nor plan to (I have friends who have seen it and say when you strip away the controversy you're left with a typical Hollywood 'its ok to have an affair' film) but it *does* seem like a film that one would take a buddy to... a very special buddy.

But Warbler, why would you say "I'm not sure I want to watch it at all"? You previously said said about 'Crash' some things that could very well apply here:
I think it was unique and different, and contained great story telling, and was certainly not stereotypical.

t was somthing fresh and new, not the typical stuff that remake and sequel crazy hollywood puts out.

So who knows- it might a great film that fits that mold! Take a chance... take a buddy.


1. unique and different don't alway equal great

2. as you say: "whey nyou strip away the controversy you're left with a typical Hollywood 'its ok to have and affair' film" . The same cannot be said of Crash.

3. I have no desire to see a film about two men that want to have sex with each other. Should it be against the law? No. Should they be discriminated against? No. Do I
actually want to watch their romance and love making? no. If this makes me a bigot, so be it. *dons fire proof clothing*

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Warbler I understand you. But I'd like to see it I support gay people. When my "little sister" said she was lesbian. I Supported her.
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There's a difference between support and approval, though.

And Warb's right. Take away the gay, and BM is just another "true love causes adultery" movie, and it's hype is almost entirely based on its "daring" and political "bravery"... Bleh. Give me the Fifth Element over most "Best Picture" winners any day.

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Favourite moment of the night: when Nick Park and Steve Box accepted their Oscars for Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit and provided their Oscars with matching bowties. Classic.

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Since I had a plane to catch early and last night was staying in a place with literally no TV, for the first time in 15 years, I did not watch one single second of the academy awards. The next day I found out that Crash had one, when we all knew Brokeback Mountain had it on its pocket. Oh well. Guess I'll have to see Crash someday.

Now, I do belive Woody Allen's Match Point should have won best original screenplay, I watched that movie yesterday and wow... brilliant. But then again I remember it was Woody Allen, who is a genius (ONLY on doing films), and he did not deserve that award because although the movie writting was brilliant, it was average on Woody Allen's level.
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I think Brokeback actually wound up suffering from overexposure, in much the same way that Saving Private Ryan did in 1998, when Shakespeare in Love beat it for Best Picture. You can posit all the theories you want about Hollywood not being progressive enough to give Brokeback the Oscar, but as someone who one debated the issue of same-sex marriage for a courtroom moot, I can tell you that the Academy was probably suffering from "Brokeback burnout."

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Gotta agree with you gundark. Hollywood is made up of liberals.
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Is it not reasonable to actually, honestly believe that Crash is the better movie?
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I watched "Crash" Monday night, and I must say it was a damn good movie. Since it's the only one of the Best Picture nominees I've seen, though, I guess I can't pass too much judgment on it yet.

By the way, why the hell didn't "Cinderella Man" get nominated for Best Picture?!

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