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@ StrangeLove9,
I am downloading your 2 disc set at TPB,was wondering,i am also making a 16:9 widescreen version of my Criterion LD,has your version been filtered at all? or just cropped re-sized for anamorphic widescreen and then added the appropriate borders?
thanks and welcome to OT
DJ

ps 1 more thing did you use the 1(#69) disc or 2 disc(#19) Criterion set?
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Rikter,

Guess you don't want my new version?

What's with the sample you put up?
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Well, I use a different procedure than what most people describe on these forums...

My steps are like this: LD to Digital Video (Digital8 videocamera), then I import the files into the computer directly as MPEG2, via ADS Instant DVD2... It has an excellent Cirrus Logic processor, and the software allows me to tweak spatial and temporal filtering, along with brightness, contrast etc. In the case of Blade Runner, I did my best to clean up the video.

Now, since I import MPEG2 at a 8MBps bitrate, but the the video is still pan-n-scan with black bars, I go to the next step: I produce the final DVD, which is about 8GB in size. I don't think it would fit even on a Dual-Layer disc. So I proceed to the final step, which is re-encoding to DVD5 size, using DVD-RB with CCE at 7 passes, and using the AVS Expert option which converts 4:3 to "true" 16x9... this gets rid of the black bars.

The resulting video is, therefore, slightly "blown-up" to DVD resolution, which results in some bluriness... but I doubt anyone can obtain much better results without using equipment unavailable to amateurs.

I hope this answers your question, dark_jedi.
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I am using avisynth filters on mine(still tweaking them as i type LOL),but using the aspect ratio calculator of Citizens,i will not be eliminating the black bars altogether,because it is a 2:35:1 ratio,so there are still small bars,what did you convert yours to,1:75:1 or 1:85:1 widescreen?so with this ratio you will have it blown up a little(like you said)the reason i ask is i am new to making anamorphic widescreen,this will be only my second release that has been made to 16:9,and after reading your reply, i am curious how this will look,because by all my numbers(for 16:9 WS)i am going to have the black bars.
thanks for the reply and info StarngeLove9,also i left you a mesage @ TPB
DJ
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Rikter
I'm not sure what you are looking for but setting V2 worked best on my equipment. It was smoother than V1 or V3
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Originally posted by: suntech
Rikter
I'm not sure what you are looking for but setting V2 worked best on my equipment. It was smoother than V1 or V3


That is it THANKS for your take!!!

V2 was my choice also

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Rikter,

Guess you don't want my new version??

- I had planned on possibly using you're new version, but there were no updates and I'm dying to get this project over with so I can move on to my Datsuns!!!!! AND I still may use it if I can get a copy to evaluate and be sure that it would have room for 1 PCM track and about 5 other DD or MPEG 2.0 audio tracks

What's with the sample you put up?


- Well it is a sample of my 1080i to DL DVD, sized to allow for all of the audio tracks I plan on using I posted some details on myspleen but I just moved my parts car today so I'm beat down for the night otherwise I would repost the info here...

AND on that note is your new version done and ready???

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Originally posted by: strangelove9
I want to chime in...

I hope it'll be my version of "Future Shocks" that you guys will be using for this set, I've seen an alternative .mpg circulating on the net, and it's quite inferior to it... I believe it's my "Future Shocks" version that digitalfreaknyc has used on his HD-DVD dual set.
My second DVD also contained the Esper soundtrack in a lossless format, by the way.



- I would love to see your version of "Future Shocks" and possibly include it here on this Angrysvn Release!!



“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Well not to be unoriginal but so far my vote is for V2 as well. Thanks for the upload!
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: strangelove9
I want to chime in...

I hope it'll be my version of "Future Shocks" that you guys will be using for this set, I've seen an alternative .mpg circulating on the net, and it's quite inferior to it... I believe it's my "Future Shocks" version that digitalfreaknyc has used on his HD-DVD dual set.
My second DVD also contained the Esper soundtrack in a lossless format, by the way.



- I would love to see your version of "Future Shocks" and possibly include it here on this Angrysvn Release!!


Rikter, YGPM - just let me know.

dark_jedi, to be honest I don't know exactly how DVD Rebuilder differentiates between 2.35:1 and 1.85:1, but it just works without cropping any of the actual image - it simply knows where to cut. I discovered it by accident.
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@ strangelove9,you might want to turn on your PM's,it is off by default.
DJ
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
Rikter,

Guess you don't want my new version??

- I had planned on possibly using you're new version, but there were no updates and I'm dying to get this project over with so I can move on to my Datsuns!!!!! AND I still may use it if I can get a copy to evaluate and be sure that it would have room for 1 PCM track and about 5 other DD or MPEG 2.0 audio tracks

What's with the sample you put up?


- Well it is a sample of my 1080i to DL DVD, sized to allow for all of the audio tracks I plan on using I posted some details on myspleen but I just moved my parts car today so I'm beat down for the night otherwise I would repost the info here...

AND on that note is your new version done and ready???


My version has BEEN done. It takes up both layers (pretty much) completely.

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oops, all set now didn't realize the PM was not working.

In all honesty, DNF's dual-layer DVD edition of the HD broadcast is amazing, image quality-wise. I think Rikter didn't realize it's available...
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Originally posted by: strangelove9

dark_jedi, to be honest I don't know exactly how DVD Rebuilder differentiates between 2.35:1 and 1.85:1, but it just works without cropping any of the actual image - it simply knows where to cut. I discovered it by accident.

Anamorphic widescreen isn't a 2.35:1 or 1.85:1 image, it's 1.77:1. Any cropping is done to that ratio and black bars are left over for anything that's wider than that.

I used to be very active on this forum. I’m not really anymore. Sometimes, people still want to get in touch with me about something, and that is great! If that describes you, please email me at [my username]ATgmailDOTcom.

Hi everybody. You’re all awesome. Keep up the good work.

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all i was meaning to say is,that with moth3r's help and Citizens aspect ratio calculator,there was no way i could get rid of the black bars completely,and i too am transfering the Blade Runner Criterion set(2 disc)so i was curious how he did it,but he said it is a little stretched,than that would explain it,this is only my second transfer being converted to 16:9 anamorphic WS,so i am still learning myself.
DJ

BUT,back on topic,Rikter how is everything coming along?
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I am posting to clarify things a bit: DVDRebuilder does not crop the edges, in order to obtain 1.77:1 images. I've tried this procedure mentioned earlier with several "original" non-anamorphic DVDs of varying ratios (from "Nixon" and "Life is Beautiful" to Kurosawa's "High and Low" and others, including "Blade Runner"), and in none of the cases did I lose the sides of the image, as a result of the "crop/blow-up" process. I haven't seen the "2 black bars of diferent shades" phenomenon, either. I'm just happy it works.

dark_jedi, I hope you're sending Rikter copies of the materials on the second Criterion LD...?
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Rikter, I've put together BR extras DVD for you. Check your PM...
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I believe he already has them,i attempted capturing the Syd Mead stuff,but got REALLY bored and lost track,plus the file was getting huge for just pics,Rikter recommended just sitting back and then skip to next frame after a minute or so,I could not do it,but like i said i think i read here that he has it now,which is great
DJ
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Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc

My version has BEEN done. It takes up both layers (pretty much) completely.



Well then send it over man! How big is the current DVD file and can it take upto say about 1gig of extra audio?

“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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not to rush you, but...just wondering how this project is going? Which discs do you have completed or nearly completed?

sidenote: i have another mailing ready for you rikter, it will go out tuesday.
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Originally posted by: strangelove9 <snip> I think Rikter didn't realize it's available...


- I had a copy sent to me after it was posted to myspleen (THANKS!!), and I had intended on using it for my version but a hard-core BR fan posted on his site along with some others there in depth review of the transfer; here is a quote from his post…

Alright, myself and other die-hard Blade Runner fans have now taken a hard look at this. And although it is clearly a new HD transfer when compared to every other available source, we are sad to report that something must have gone wrong somewhere in the capture or encoding to MPEG2 for this DVD release by Freak. Now, please don't take this the wrong way, this is meant only as feedback after some very close review by some very talented video people. I personally would love to see a new encode done and a new, updated torrent posted because I simply LOVE this movie, and this HDTV version is clearly 100 times better than the currently available official released.

The problem is, it looks like something went wrong with the pulldown removal or something else. Not sure, except to say that the "cadence" of this encode is screwed up with double-frames that don't change from one frame to the next. It's like you get frame 1, frame 2, frame 3, frame 4, frame 4, frame 5. There are repeated frames all over the place. This is very noticeable to the human eye at the start of the fourth vob file, but better yet, try opening the fourth vob in an editor or player and go one frame at a time forward. You will very quickly see the repeated frames occuring at regular intervals. Worse yet, the repeated frames look ever so-slightly different probably due to some sort of changes during the inter-frame compression of MPEG. Also, this cadence is not simply the 3:2 sequence of 24 fps film inserted into a 30 fps interlaced format. It seems something more is happening, but not sure what exactly. My guess is something happened in the workflow from capturing the interlaced 29.97 fps HDTV feed to encoding the MPEG2. There has been some discussion of this on alt.fan.blade-runner and there has also been a comparison to the DC-DVD (with an example of the cadence problem shown as an animated gif) at this page (which probably will be pulled down at some point soon, so take a look ASAP):
http://www.jv-media.com/temp/br-comparison/


- I really did not want to carry over the "double-frames" into this release, I was aware of Digitalfreaks V2 but was also aware that it MAY be WAY TOO large to include my multiple audio tracks (he’s going for 100% pure quality), SO at this time I've attempted to down convert the 15 gig files (thanks SO much Segaflip!!) to DVD (DL that is) that is why I posted the tester - now from what I've seen and other have said my V2 looks okay - I'm NOT AT ALL in ANY way claiming it's better then the Digitalfreak version 1 or version 2 - AGAIN I'm NOT STATING it's any better (notice that I never asked if it looked better then his?) that is not the point here man. My version is simply sized to fit with multiple audio streams I intend to include, if the Digitalfreak V2 version would fit multiple audio streams then I MAY USE his second version for the final version if I can get my hands on it that is. (or I may have use a HDTV2DVD version if my final output bites!)

Originally posted by: segaflip
not to rush you, but...just wondering how this project is going? Which discs do you have completed or nearly completed?


- It’s coming along better then expected; I’ve had a few HEAVY contributors now and I’m gathering it all to my hard drive! I’m really working on the HDTV to DVD conversion at this time and I’ve had a few positive results so far so I’m going to fire up the PC and start the conversion tonight which should take about 20 hours or so then I’ll find out if the 5.1 still syncs up. IF SO then the real work will begin at that point.

I’ve now gathered the necessary audio to complete my audio tracks, next I’ll need to relay the tracks based on my new 5.1 directly from the HDTV source - You see, I kept the full intro from HDNET (it’s their baby so they need the maddest props!!), and since I kept it I’ll need to redo the timing for my audio cues. I’ll start this in a few days as Rayna’s car has now officially died leaving us without a legal car at this time (the automatic transmission went out – but reverse works lovely!) and the cost of repair is way too high to get it fixed ~ So I’ll be spending the next few days making the 69’ wagon fully legal (insurance and registration) once that’s done I’ll get back to the score and I will also start the TV/Workprint DVD (I need to finalize the menu art for all the discs) which may be the first disc done, followed by the US Theatrical 4:3 1.33:1/International Version 16x9 2.35:1 DVD, Then the extra materials may actually end up on two discs but that remains to be seen – I’ll round out the set with the HDTV to DVD version the thing is I’ll need to see about finding a partner as I only have the ability to include 2 audio tracks so I might need to seek the skills of someone more qualified then myself to author this DVD.

In the end it may take as little as a few weeks or as long as a few months, I’m not really in a rush to finish this set (which may also may be my last ever preservation release) after this I’ll hopefully start filming my first short film and also be returning to full time (gainful) employment either in the Home Entertainment industry again or I may take up wielding and join a long time friend building fully custom high performance, high quality suspension components and kits for Nissans and Datsuns (James is a super skilled engineer that I foresee making serious headway in the automotive tuning industry!!) that and building my Datsuns!!!



MORE updates as I make progress!!!!



“My skill are no longer as Mad as the once were” RiK

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Citizen, is that single layer or dual layer?

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As per Rikter above, my version wouldn't fit any more audio tracks than just one. This is pure audio/video quality.
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Single layer, for a few reasons; my burner can't successfully burn dual layers, DL discs are still too bloody expensive, the source quality is so clean that I don't think I'd notice any benefit from the higher bitrate. Watching it now on my Sony 28" widescreen through RGB scart connection it looks stunning, makes the official DVD look like it was sourced from an old laserdisc or VHS, just a shame they used temporal smoothing to reduce the grain on the HDTV broadcast.

I think I'll have to boost the audio of the voiceover sections because few of the voiceovers are almost drowned by the audio from the front speakers, I'm sending a copy to another BR fan who has a higher spec setup than me to see what they think.
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