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HD-DVD sucks, that's true, it's just a desperate failed attempt to compete with Blu-Ray. But Blu-Ray is a very useful product. By making it possible to put 40 gigs on a single layer disc (instead of the pathetic 15 on a HD-DVD) you certainly create huge advantages over DVD. You could put 160 gigs on a (double sided dual-layered) disc, how cool is that!

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Blu-Ray is actually 25GB single layer and 50GB dual layer. Although more than two layers are possible in the future.

I find it ironic that everyone is talking about this, especially when DL versions of fan projects are still few and far between. Besides, only in the past 6 months has the cost of DL media been low enough to purchase in bulk.

My Projects:
[Holiday Special Hybrid DVD v2]
[X0 Project]
[Backstroke of the West DVD]
[ROTS Theatrical DVD]

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I guess what I'm wondering is if the XØ capture was done in 1080 so that when Blu-Ray comes along you won't have to go through it all over again. And given that the resolution of LD isn't close to 1080, does capturing at that resolution even make sense? Or will upconversion be adequate.

Maybe Lucas is just waiting to give us the O-OT on Blu-Ray and the crappy 2004 set was just to shut up the masses for a while.
I am fluent in over six million forms of procrastination.
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I think an xvid version would be useful to those with Home Cinema pc's plugged into large HD monitors I would say the minimum resolution should be about 1280x768 or whatever the 2:35:1 ratio equivalent is.

...about 544 pixels by my maths
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Pretty confident that there's no analog-capture-to-HD method available. From an NTSC or PAL source, it's sort of pointless anyway.

However, I'm a big believer in upsampling. So if the X0 Project was going to do its processing in HD, I'd figure that was worthwhile. Not as hot as a true HD transfer, but who outside of LFL is ever gonna have that?

BTW, Grinder, there was a story in the NY Times (?) the other day about how HD-DVD is looking more likely to beat Sony's Blu-Ray. Despite the fact that I've seen Blu-Ray recorders available in Japan, and so far I don't think there's any HD-DVD sources.
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ADM, I'm sure the X0 capture was done in SD. As you are suspecting, there really wouldn't be any point in capping it in HD, as the information isn't there to capture (so they won't have to do it again). An upconversion would probably give better results than a hi-res cap - it will look better on your HD monitor, but it's not going to look significantly better than the SD DVD overall. I think DL DVD is likely to be the best format for this project and we all know that Zion & MBJ will be done long before Blu-Ray drives are on the market. Right, guys?
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Oh yeah, it's 25... I read 40 in an article a couple of months ago. Anyway, since blu-ray is being developed by Philips (responsible for the development of the LD, CD and DVD), Sony, Pioneer, Apple, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox and so on. And since they already beat the HD-DVD in capacity, I think that will become the bigger succes. But I don't expect it to replace the DVD, certainly not any time soon. DVD is capable of containing one movie in excellent quality, no need for an upgrade. But when you're talking about HD, that's a different story. How big is it getting over there in the US? Over here it's nothing yet.

That's no moon. It's a LaserDisc.

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Well, most people here (in the US) are returning their new HD sets, because they tend to bring out the worst in analog pictures - especially low-bandwidth cable/DSS channels. The highest resolution source many people use is DVD, which is only SD.

Recently, I made a DVD from two video sources - a digital camcorder and an analog Hi-8 camcorder. On my regular TV, I noticed a distinction between the two sources, but it wasn't very apparent to my wife. When we later watched the DVD on our friend's new HD set, the video difference was night and day. The digital video looked great, and the analog video was atrocious.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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I agree that HD-DVD is a peice of shit. But i think Blu-ray is good not jsut for movies but programs also. And I don't think it will replace DVD any time soon.
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I think it is funny that people are talking about HD transfers when there haven't been that many standard definition DL transfers done yet.

I also think it is funny how people are so quick to judge that HD-DVD is inferior when neither format has hit the market yet. Storage space is one thing, but how well either format handles backwards compatibility is going to make it or break it. Sure, both formats are said to be backwards compatible, but I remember seeing several PS1 games lock up on the PS2 when they did not on the PS1. Back to space. Blu-Ray claims 50GB discs, but has yet to produce one in a real world environment. None of those launch titles are going to be that size. Also Blu-Ray is sticking with MPEG-2 which eats up more space than MPEG-4 and VC-1. Blu-Ray players are also going to be insanely expensive. The PS3 also keeps getting pushed further and further back.

I dislike aspects of both formats and will not root for one over the other until I see the same film presented in Blu-Ray and HD-DVD side by side on two HDTV's. It would have to be a Warner or Paramount film since they will support both. Furthermore, I will not endorse either with money until I hear what actual player and disc owners have to say about them. Do they have a lot of glitches? Do they perform great? Do they play most or all their standard DVD's or do they only play a few and are not even able to read the rest of them? etc. etc.

I will say that I am no fan of Sony, but I do like Pioneer. There involvement as well as a few other electronics manufacturers in Blu-Ray keeps me interested enough. I don't care about the studios since they will quickly jump to the other side and embrace whichever format comes out ahead just like Disney and Fox did when Circuit City's Divx didn't pan out. I can tell you that Star Wars won't be out on Blu-Ray anytime soon and will probably be the damned 2004 or later versions anyway, so I don't care.

Back on the X0. I wouldn't even worry the guys with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD as they are still in the cleanup phase of ANH as MeBe has stated. Sure HD would be great, but it just isn't practical right now. Even if Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is successful which I have my doubts about, those formats are not going to become commonplace for a long time and surely won't sell as fast as DVD. Many including myself need to get HDTV's and other equipment before buying into that.

Patrick

"When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk." - Tuco from The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
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And most importantly it's a matter of diminishing returns. Few people are going to be able to take advantage of it, 50% of the people who go HiDef will buy the format that dies (maybe both formats will die if we're lucky and we can move on to Holography discs), there'll be a higher cost per disc and to top it all there will be little improvement in overall quality.
DVD are backwards compatible with both formats and DL discs are just getting cheap.

MeBe: Where did you read that about people returning HDTVs, it's hillarious? Reminds me of people returning widescreen DVDs thinking their loosing the top and bottom of their movie.

And to go way off subject: Mandated HDTV broadcast in '09, yikes have you seen the price of a decent sized HDTV versus a standard definition one? Man talk about governement created class division. Trailerpark Joe must buy a $100-200 converter to watch TV on his $90 Walmart TV (or he can watch snow). Everyone else can crack out $1000 if they don't want to lose any height on their 20" 4x3 TV when you go wide. You think HD-DVD/BluRay is a fiasco? Just wait until '09.

Patrick R.: If you want funny, they figure most HiDef DVDs at launch will be multiple regular DVD's shoehorned onto one disc. Eg. SciFi Channel's Dune on 1 disc instead of 3.

Dr. M

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oh the '09 mandate will get pushed back again i am sure, let us not forget how long it took dvds to take off!
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"they figure most HiDef DVDs at launch will be multiple regular DVD's shoehorned onto one disc. Eg. SciFi Channel's Dune on 1 disc instead of 3."

I don't doubt that at all. My guess: The Rambo Saga will be one of the early sets.

"let us not forget how long it took dvds to take off!"

Nor how quickly they became the number one home theater consumer purchase.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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stay on topic... stay on topic...
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Originally posted by: Doctor M

And to go way off subject: Mandated HDTV broadcast in '09, yikes have you seen the price of a decent sized HDTV versus a standard definition one?


Uhh..they don't sell SD TV's any more do then?

And to answer your question, they can be had for as little as $800.
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Did you ever do a "toot" of 3 captures? Do you have multiple captures? Do you have captures of different DC LD sets?

I think you missed my question or maybe it was such a stupid question you didn't want to answer it...

By the way, wanna trade an XØ capture for a 2950 PAL capture?

Fez: I am so excited about Star Whores.
Hyde: Fezzy, man, it's Star Wars.
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Yesss, newsletter!...what a nice surprise on a Friday morning!

At first I was a little bummed that we didn't get any new screens of the project, but the promise of an actual video documentary is even better. I'm also very pleased to hear that the special collection is being used in select spots since a lot of us on the board think that a few scenes can really benefit for its use.

If anything, I'm just glad to start receiving newsletters again....

I had a quick question: I noticed in my best-buy ad that they are starting to market some DVD players as "upconverting." Here is a link to one of the models: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7288259&type=product&id=1118840369037

Now, I know what upconversion does, but...

1. Is this a gimmick or the real deal?
2. What kind of effect on quality could one of these players have on the X0 project?
3. How does this upconverting technology compare to the Realta HQV chip by Teranex in select Denon DVD players?

Thanks for your help guys.
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Zion,

I recieved my e-mail, but the link in the e-mail seems to be no good. IE says "The requested site is either unavailable or cannot be found."

Erik

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Thanks, but the new email I received does not seem to have a link to the newsletter.

You know of the rebellion against the Empire?

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Hmm I'm not getting the attachment, and the link at the bottom opens a Save or Open dialog. Neither answer works.

Dr. M

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A hopeful question/suggestion:

Any chance that some restored original trailers could be added to these discs? This would be great for those of us (me anyway) that don't want to bother with a 'supplemental disc' full of boring interviews and Max Rebo videos.

Thanks.