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Seriously, no matter how much some of the people in here actually like the Holiday Special, how many of them can honestly say that they think it's a piece of QUALITY entertainment?
There is a reason that this thing hasn't seen the light of day since it originally aired. IT'S A STEAMING PILE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!
Yes, I enjoy watching it once in a while, but that doesn't change the fact that it's crap. Lucas has every right to feel humiliated by the fact that this thing survived all these years. If you think that Lucas actually gives a damn about the fans, and will release this because some of you want it so badly, you're sadly mistaken and more than a bit naive.
Be thankful for Rikter, and the people like him that make this stuff available in the best possible quality. Besides, 9 times out of 10, they take more time & care in preparing their releases than Luc-a$$ does.
and for the record, the HS is NOT part of the OT. The keyword there is TRILOGY. TRI = 3. Not 3+ the HS. THREE. In addition, the HS is BARELY touched upon in the EU. It mentions the names of Chewbacca's family (their FULL names, not those cheesy nicknames). and the Dark Horse comics series called CHEWBACCA mentions his family as well. Incidentally, the same series of novels that first acknowledged the HS also mentioned Cindel Towani (from the just as awful Ewok movies) as a holonet reporter.
Regardless of all this, no matter how much fun PARTS of the HS may be to watch, it's still garbage, and WILL NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY on an official release. Wish for it in your right hand, and shit in your left. Then tell me which hand got filled up first.
Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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Originally posted by: Scotty Balls
In addition, the HS is BARELY touched upon in the EU. It mentions the names of Chewbacca's family (their FULL names, not those cheesy nicknames). and the Dark Horse comics series called CHEWBACCA mentions his family as well.
In addition, the HS is BARELY touched upon in the EU. It mentions the names of Chewbacca's family (their FULL names, not those cheesy nicknames). and the Dark Horse comics series called CHEWBACCA mentions his family as well.
From wikipedia:
Since The Star Wars Holiday Special was broadcast, it has received an extreme amount of criticism and dislike by both fans and official sources. Despite the relative unpopularity of the elements of the special, those at Lucasfilm responsible for licensing have kept the special in continuity, due to their canon policies. In many cases, they have expanded on elements from the special in several different media, including novels, comic books, video games, children's books, and even in a Star Wars-themed cookbook.
Several of the characters in The Star Wars Holiday Special appear in other Star Wars works. Chewbacca's family are featured in various stories, including:
"The Kashyyyk Depths" (1979) was a newspaper comic strip by Russ Manning which featured another venture by Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie to Kashyyyk for Life Day. It was reprinted in a collective book entitled Classic Star Wars #4: The Early Adventures.
The Wookiee Storybook (1979) features Chewbacca's family in a situation very similar of that to the holiday special. Except in the book, Lumpy, wishing to be brave like his father, goes to the lower levels of Kashyyyk to get a type of fruit in preparation for the return of Chewbacca for Life Day. Trouble arisies when Lumpy doesn't return, and Chewbacca must rescue his son.
"Wookiee World" (1985) was issue #91 of the Marvel comics Star Wars run. It featured Chewie's family in another adventure on Kashyyyk.
Tyrant's Test (1996) was the third and final book of Michael P. Kube-McDowell's "Black Fleet Crisis" trilogy. It featured Lumpy and his rites of passage into Lumpawaroo.
Rebel Dawn (1997) was the third book in A.C. Crispin's Han Solo trilogy. It dealt with Solo's younger years, and his early relation with Chewbacca and his family. Malla and Chewie's marriage is shown in the third book.
The Star Wars Cookbook: Wookiee Cookiees and Other Galactic Recipes (1998) gives an official recipe for "Wookiee cookiees," a different name for "Wookiee-ookiees" from the special.
Agents of Chaos I: Hero's Trial (2000) was a novel in The New Jedi Order series, in which Malla and Itchy make appearances.
Chewbacca (2000) was a four-issue comic book series by Darko Mecan, which featured Itchy and Malla recalling stories of Chewbacca's history.
Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds (2001) was a LucasArts game which explored the past of Chewbacca's father, Itchy. As seen in the game, Itchy was a great warrior in his younger days, who fought many battles.
The Unifying Force (2003) was the final book of the New Jedi Order series. It features Chewbacca's son Lumpy, along with Lowbacca, who hold a pivotal role of taking up Chewbacca's life debt to Han.
Star Wars: Galaxies (2003) was a popular MMORPG game that allowed the player to visit and explore Kashyyyk. While there, the player can explore the customs of Life Day, as there are several wookiees dressed in red robes, as in the special. Lumpy's stuffed bantha from the special can also be seen in the game. The official site for Star Wars: Galaxies even has a webpage dedicated to explaing these features in the game, and the customs of Life Day here.
A Forest Apart (2003) was an e-book by Troy Denning, also released in print as a supplement to his book Tatooine Ghost. A Forest Apart focuses on the exploits of Lumpy, after Malla allows him to go to Coruscant with Chewbacca.
Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (2005) was a film which, in addition to introducing Kashyyyk to the big screen, involved Itchy. According to the Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross-sections by Dr. Curtis Saxton, and according to the film's visual dictionary, Itchy was involved in the Battle of Kashyyyk as a gunner aboard an Oevvaor jet catamaran in the defense of Kachirho during the Battle of Kashyyyk. It is unknown at this point whether or not he actually can be physically seen in the film, but several jet catamarans are shown.
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross-sections - The Definitive Guide to Spaceships and Vehicles (2005) (see above)
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith-Visual Dictionary (2005) (see above)
Chef Gormaanda later was featured in an issue of Lucasfilm's HoloNet News. She explained a new recipe, and it was explained that she had won a cooking award. The issue was HoloNet News Volume 531 #50 13:4:4, under "Life" section.
Chief Bast went on to appear in the Star Wars Customizable Card Game, in which Bast's early life was briefly elaborated on. His card hints that he escaped and survived the destruction of the first Death Star, as seen in the holiday special. The card can be viewed here.
Boba Fett returns in The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and in many Expanded Universe books, comics, and video games (not to mention numerous official and unofficial fan-made films).
The Wookiee planet of Kashyyyk is featured in various novels, comic books, and video games, including Revenge of the Sith, the cartoon micro-series known as Star Wars: Clone Wars, and video games such as Star Wars: Battlefront, Star Wars: Republic Commando, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. An entire city from the planet was even elaborated on in Timothy Zahn's popular 1991 novel Heir to the Empire, which was the first in his Thrawn trilogy.
I don't think I would call that "barely touching the holiday special."
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not to mention numerous official and unofficial fan-made films
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Originally posted by: Knolly
not to mention numerous official and unofficial fan-made films
As in "those entered into the official star wars fan film awards (official fan films) and those made and not entered into the official star wars fan film awards (unofficial fan films)."
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Granted, there are more connections to the HS in the EU than I mentioned before, but a few of of those are connections to Kashyyyk as a planet rather than the HS itself. Or in some cases fall outside the established continuity of the EU (like the Marvel comics).
To use the argument that the HS is part of TV history is unfair at best. There are MANY shows that could be considered part of TV History that have yet to be released on DVD. I'll use Elvis Presley's appearances on the Ed SUllivan Show as an example. In particular, the show where he was filmed from the waist up (contrary to popular belief, that was only that one time, and NOT ALL the times he appeared on the show). That is a far more important piece of TV history (and music history too), but is it available on DVD? No. It's certainly better quality, and FAR more deserving of seeing an official DVD release than the HS. What about the very first episode of Saturday Night Live? that's TV History too. I could come up with several things that are of more historical significance for TV than the HS.
Also, saying that it's better than "some of the crap on TV today" doesn't mean a thing. As long as there's been TV, there's been crap on it. Face it, the HS is NEVER going to be released officially, and no amount of trying to make it seem more important that it actually was will not change that fact.
I'm going to ask for a "show of hands" here; How many people that actually want it, own copies of the HS on DVD thanks to the hard work of people like Rikter? I personallly have THREE different DVDs of the thing, each one in better quality than the first. The best one I've seen so far is the KCCI version. An official release won't be much better quality than that is. So, if you already have it on DVD, stop wasting time hoping for an official release, and enjoy the bootleg because that's the best you're gonna get.
Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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oh, and this:
Fan films are just that. Films made by fans. Whether or not they get nominated for a lucas-awards means nothing. They don't count as part of the official EU. It doesn't matter how good they are. They just don't count.
Technically then, wouldn't ALL of the EU be considered glorified fan fiction, since it is just books, comics, etc. written by fans? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the EU by any means (I think it's all kinda crappy), I just thought it made an interesting comparison.
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Technically then, wouldn't ALL of the EU be considered glorified fan fiction, since it is just books, comics, etc. written by fans? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the EU by any means (I think it's all kinda crappy), I just thought it made an interesting comparison.
Technically then, wouldn't ALL of the EU be considered glorified fan fiction, since it is just books, comics, etc. written by fans? Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the EU by any means (I think it's all kinda crappy), I just thought it made an interesting comparison.
Not really, because everything officially as part of the EU has the Lucas name on it (obviously not a trademark of quality), and does go through the LFL Continuity department. You may not like it, but it DOES count.
Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
Does that mean "Hero" and "Hostel" count as Quentin Tarantino movies just because they say "Quentin Tarantino Presents" on the box/poster?
Does that mean "Hero" and "Hostel" count as Quentin Tarantino movies just because they say "Quentin Tarantino Presents" on the box/poster?
No, saying "Quention Tarantino Presents" means he's producing, or just introducing it to a market other than where the film was made.
Having the "LucasBooks" insignia determines, that the item IS in fact official, and not a work of Fan Fiction.
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