logo Sign In

Understanding the saga - A perspective from T.F.N

Author
Time
I found this at TF.N (link here). It has given me a entirely new outlook on the saga:

"I have had a major problem tying the trilogies together since I have all 6 SW movies on DVD. I can enjoy all 6 movies, but some I love more than others. But this thread isn't for anyone who sees it as one saga, you needn't read on:

I have divided it into 4 parts of the saga:

Part 1: Episode I
-This is a prologue to the whole saga, this is the jedi in their heyday, the republic at its finest, the finding of the chosen one, the beginning of the rise of the Sith. This is nothing more than a setup to the other movies.

Part 2: Episode II & III
-This is the story of Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader, and his downfall. This covers two Friends Anakin & Kenobi and their adventures as Jedis, the romance of Anakin & his wife Padme, and the tutoring from his silent mentor, Chancellor Palpatine. This is a personal story of how one goes bad, as the Empire takes over the galaxy

Part 3: Episode IV
-This is the story of the Rebels vs Empire. This is a simple story of how the rebellion wins their first battle over the empire, who has ruled for twenty years. There are clear good guys: Luke, Leia, and Han, and there are clear bad guys: Vader & Tarkin. This is not a personal story, but a struggle between good vs evil.

Part 4: Episode V & VI
-This is the story of Luke Skywalker. This story is about Luke becoming a jedi and being tempted in similar ways his father has, and in the process being tempted BY his father. In the end he does not give in, and Vader redeems himself by killing the same man he pledged himself for over 20 years.


As I said, I just connect the two trilogies, for some it works, for me it doesn't. This way I still enjoy the original SW as the standalone movie that it is, and still my favorite. I can enjoy TPM more cause it doesn't seem as distant from AOTC & ROTS anymore cause it is just a prologue, not 100% part of the story, and I can enjoy ESB & ROTJ together as Lukes story cause they were written that way after the original SW was such a success. For some older fans, and seeing 4,5,6 in the theaters, it just aint easy marrying these trilogies, so for anyone who is interested give it a try, you might just enjoy all 6, but don't have to compare them anymore."
Author
Time
I have no idea what to say about that. Whatever makes that guy sleep better I guess.
Author
Time
I was amazed after I read it, because it helped me as well.
Author
Time
....

*yawn*

another amazing stroy from the force.net.
"Yub Knub" by Warrick Davis
Author
Time
I think it's safe to say that nobody on this site really cares about what TF.N says.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

Author
Time
Originally posted by: Nanner Split
I think it's safe to say that nobody on this site really cares about what TF.N says.


I care.
Author
Time
Well, okay, nobody on this site who makes a complete ass of themselves on a daily basis cares about what TF.N says.

http://i.imgur.com/7N84TM8.jpg

Author
Time
A very odd post I must say.

Isn't that all pretty obvious from simply watching the films or moreover listening to Lucas's endless rhetoric.

I still have big problems linking the two Trilogies. They seem like chalk and cheese to me.

The OT was inventive, original (well, traditional with a twist), funny, clever and above all entertaining. The PT for me was trite and derivitive and lacked all that made the OT such a big part of childhood. I really don't think that the PT will grow with it's child audience the way that the OT did with my generation. My newphews have grown up with the PT and have already moved on. They still like the OT but say that the PT is good for their little cousin - aged 4.

I don't think this TV series will do much to help matters either.

JD

Creator of Star Wars Begins, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi
Follow me on twitter @jamieSWB. Please support me at - http://www.patreon.com/jamiebenning/

Author
Time
Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
A very odd post I must say.

Isn't that all pretty obvious from simply watching the films or moreover listening to Lucas's endless rhetoric.

I still have big problems linking the two Trilogies. They seem like chalk and cheese to me.

The OT was inventive, original (well, traditional with a twist), funny, clever and above all entertaining. The PT for me was trite and derivitive and lacked all that made the OT such a big part of childhood. I really don't think that the PT will grow with it's child audience the way that the OT did with my generation. My newphews have grown up with the PT and have already moved on. They still like the OT but say that the PT is good for their little cousin - aged 4.

I don't think this TV series will do much to help matters either.

JD


Well, JD, I'm 17 years old (introduced to TPM at age 10), and I consider all of the films to be on the same level. I mean, they are all quite fun, entertaining, and thought provoking. And honestly, I couldn't ask for more. Now, none of them are reference material as far as filmmaking goes. But that's not the point.
Author
Time
Yes, you're 17 years old and we're supposed to take your opinion seriously.
http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2348/liverpool7vb1.png
Author
Time
Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
A very odd post I must say.

Isn't that all pretty obvious from simply watching the films or moreover listening to Lucas's endless rhetoric.

I still have big problems linking the two Trilogies. They seem like chalk and cheese to me.

The OT was inventive, original (well, traditional with a twist), funny, clever and above all entertaining. The PT for me was trite and derivitive and lacked all that made the OT such a big part of childhood. I really don't think that the PT will grow with it's child audience the way that the OT did with my generation. My newphews have grown up with the PT and have already moved on. They still like the OT but say that the PT is good for their little cousin - aged 4.

I don't think this TV series will do much to help matters either.

JD



I have to agree, to me the saga is like putting a square peg into a round hole it doesnt fit IMO, I can watch the Prequel films if I feel like it but I dont find them as enjoyable and dont have the same replay value as the Original films and I also notice the quality drop from the original films especially Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.
Author
Time
Originally posted by: Scout trooper
Yes, you're 17 years old and we're supposed to take your opinion seriously.

Well, JDs post was meant to represent the opinions of young people toward the PT, so I think that allows my post to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
A very odd post I must say.

Isn't that all pretty obvious from simply watching the films or moreover listening to Lucas's endless rhetoric.

I still have big problems linking the two Trilogies. They seem like chalk and cheese to me.

The OT was inventive, original (well, traditional with a twist), funny, clever and above all entertaining. The PT for me was trite and derivitive and lacked all that made the OT such a big part of childhood. I really don't think that the PT will grow with it's child audience the way that the OT did with my generation. My newphews have grown up with the PT and have already moved on. They still like the OT but say that the PT is good for their little cousin - aged 4.

I don't think this TV series will do much to help matters either.

JD



I have to agree, to me the saga is like putting a square peg into a round hole it doesnt fit IMO, I can watch the Prequel films if I feel like it but I dont find them as enjoyable and dont have the same replay value as the Original films and I also notice the quality drop from the original films especially Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.


To be honest, I rarely set through any of the films anymore. Now, I mostly read the books/comics (which I find superior to the films). If it weren't for the EU, Star Wars would be pretty dry, IMHO. And, IMO, all of the films have an equal replay value. I really don't think ANH is any better than, say, TPM.
Author
Time
k guys, firstly this is not an editorial by TFN, it was posted by someone in a discussion thread on their message boards. Secondly, whomever made the comment that we should not consider Adamwankenobi's opinion, regardless of content, because he is 17 is very immature and i would suggest someone with such an immature mind should not be taken seriously either.

As for the saga being a whole, i think most will agree that it works in some ways and doesnt work in other ways. Because of this there will always be some people that see it as one saga and some that see it as two seperate trilogies. The initial post should be nothing new to anyone, im actually surprised that some people are only just now starting to view the series this way but i guess better late than never.
Author
Time
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Scout trooper
Yes, you're 17 years old and we're supposed to take your opinion seriously.

Well, JDs post was meant to represent the opinions of young people toward the PT, so I think that allows my post to be taken into consideration.

Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
A very odd post I must say.

Isn't that all pretty obvious from simply watching the films or moreover listening to Lucas's endless rhetoric.

I still have big problems linking the two Trilogies. They seem like chalk and cheese to me.

The OT was inventive, original (well, traditional with a twist), funny, clever and above all entertaining. The PT for me was trite and derivitive and lacked all that made the OT such a big part of childhood. I really don't think that the PT will grow with it's child audience the way that the OT did with my generation. My newphews have grown up with the PT and have already moved on. They still like the OT but say that the PT is good for their little cousin - aged 4.

I don't think this TV series will do much to help matters either.

JD



I have to agree, to me the saga is like putting a square peg into a round hole it doesnt fit IMO, I can watch the Prequel films if I feel like it but I dont find them as enjoyable and dont have the same replay value as the Original films and I also notice the quality drop from the original films especially Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back.


To be honest, I rarely set through any of the films anymore. Now, I mostly read the books/comics (which I find superior to the films). If it weren't for the EU, Star Wars would be pretty dry, IMHO. And, IMO, all of the films have an equal replay value. I really don't think ANH is any better than, say, TPM.



I have disagree about the replay value, for me anyway, i must have seen the original Star Wars film at least 200+ times and even today sometimes I watch it twice a day and enjoy it immensly, but its a struggle sometimes through thl TPM for me if I felt like watching it
Author
Time
As a person with ADD, I suppose my opnion on replay value is biased anyway. I guess I should rephrase what I meant:

I enjoy all of the films in the same way. But I don't watchany of them very much, becuase I have a low attention span.
Author
Time
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
As a person with ADD, I suppose my opnion on replay value is biased anyway. I guess I should rephrase what I meant:

I enjoy all of the films in the same way. But I don't watchany of them very much, becuase I have a low attention span.



No thats your opinion, I dont find it as enjoyable because of Jar Jar and think the podrace goes on too long especially in the official one,and I think the others are of better quality, I try at least to see the original film at least once or twice a fortnight, then Empire then probably Jedi or Sith depending on what time i have available.
Author
Time
For a person with ADD, you sure seem to be able to keep interest in this forum.
Author
Time
Originally posted by: Mr Bungle
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
As a person with ADD, I suppose my opnion on replay value is biased anyway. I guess I should rephrase what I meant:

I enjoy all of the films in the same way. But I don't watchany of them very much, becuase I have a low attention span.



No thats your opinion, I dont find it as enjoyable because of Jar Jar and think the podrace goes on too long especially in the official one,and I think the others are of better quality, I try at least to see the original film at least once or twice a fortnight, then Empire then probably Jedi or Sith depending on what time i have available.


Well, for example, the pod race in TPM may go on for FAR to long, but so do the Jabba scenes in ROTJ. However, I have no problem with that, since the pod race scenes are there to show off the fact that (in addition to the fact that they need him to win in order to get off of the planet) Anakin is an exceptional podracer and strong with the force, and the ROTJ Jabba scenes are meant to (in addition to showing the rescue of Han) show off the fact that Luke is now a Jedi Knight, and much stronger than when we last rescue. So, although both films are not perfect, they can be enjoyed equally for different reasons.
Author
Time
To me Jedi is weakest of the Classic Trilogy and I do feel Jabbas scenes are bit long but like them,and I still enjoy the film alot especially because of the final battle and the Vader/Luke/Emperor scenes,and it is always my third or fourth choice when watching a Star Wars film, I can see what you are saying about the Pod race, but I find it can drag and I can lose interest, and i find some of the racers abit silly especially that guy with the big head and no body.
Author
Time
That's generally how I feel as well. Both the pod race and the Jabba scenes drag too long, and make me lose interest. But I understand that they are important to the story of each respective film, so I don't have a problem with that.
Author
Time
"For a person with ADD, you sure seem to be able to keep interest in this forum."

ROTFLMAO! You may have noticed his attention staggers drunkenly from thread to thread.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

Author
Time
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Now, none of them are reference material as far as filmmaking goes.


All of the people who were inspired and started wanting to learn how to make their own movies after seeing the original film, (and Empire) would respectfully disagree! I learned a *hell* of a lot about editing studying them on the old CAV laserdiscs. I think all the awards the OT has won, (and not just the Oscars) speak for themselves.
Forum Moderator

Where were you in '77?