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I wonder how many silly kids are waiting for Episode IV to be released?

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Think about it. I did when I saw Episode III in the theater (twice by the way, more than I have seen any other SW in the theater, unless you count the 1997 releases, meaning I have seen III-VI exactly twice each in the theaters).

OK. You are a kid born after 1983. Somehow you were living under a rock and never heard of the "internet" or "Star Wars". 1999 rolls around and you watch this cool movie called Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace. "Hmm, that was pretty cool." Three years later a sequel comes out. "Even better! I can't wait for part 3!" Then you watch it and love it. "WOW! When are they gonna make a sequel to this one! That was the best one yet! I can't wait to see what happens to those babies and Anakin! What's his name now, um Darth Tater or something? Oh yeah Darth Vader. I bet in 2008 they will probably make an episode IV! That would be awesome!"

Then he's at wal-mart. A box set of episodes IV-VI! "Woah! That was fast! Man I didn't think one more would be made this fast! They made three more and they were all direct to video? That sucks! Oh well, I'll buy it anyway. I gotta see what happens next!!"

Think about it! I bet there is at least ONE person in the world that thinks like this. And with the quality of the DVD releases I can actually believe that they were filmed post-2005. As it should seem.
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Well, it would be silly not to rerelease Star Wars on the big screen again in '07 anyway.

Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
Well, it would be silly not to rerelease Star Wars on the big screen again in '07 anyway.


ya GL probably already has that planned
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Great topic! I think it would be hillarious to find someone who's seen all of the prequels but has never heard about the OT, especially since the Special Edition came out just 2 years before Phantom Menace. I guess there are a few people out there who only see new movies and never bother to rent or even know about "old" movies. I pity the fool who's seen and loves the PT but has never even heard about the OT.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Think about it. I did when I saw Episode III in the theater (twice by the way, more than I have seen any other SW in the theater, unless you count the 1997 releases, meaning I have seen III-VI exactly twice each in the theaters).

OK. You are a kid born after 1983. Somehow you were living under a rock and never heard of the "internet" or "Star Wars". 1999 rolls around and you watch this cool movie called Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace. "Hmm, that was pretty cool." Three years later a sequel comes out. "Even better! I can't wait for part 3!" Then you watch it and love it. "WOW! When are they gonna make a sequel to this one! That was the best one yet! I can't wait to see what happens to those babies and Anakin! What's his name now, um Darth Tater or something? Oh yeah Darth Vader. I bet in 2008 they will probably make an episode IV! That would be awesome!"

Then he's at wal-mart. A box set of episodes IV-VI! "Woah! That was fast! Man I didn't think one more would be made this fast! They made three more and they were all direct to video? That sucks! Oh well, I'll buy it anyway. I gotta see what happens next!!"

Think about it! I bet there is at least ONE person in the world that thinks like this. And with the quality of the DVD releases I can actually believe that they were filmed post-2005. As it should seem.

Not gonna happen. Marketing is EVERYWHERE these days. Lucas has made sure (every time a new PT film was released) that he sells as many copies of the OT as possible.

Originally posted by: JennyS1138
I pity the fool who's seen and loves the PT but has never even heard about the OT.


Indeed.
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Ellen Degeneres is one of these people. On her show talking to Jimmy Smits about Smits' not having a lightsaber, she said something like this:

"Why don't you hold out for one (a lightsaber) in number 4."

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Ellen Degeneres is one of these people. On her show talking to Jimmy Smits about Smits' not having a lightsaber, she said something like this:

"Why don't you hold out for one (a lightsaber) in number 4."

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she was probably being sarcastic, that the kind of personality she has
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Carrie Fisher once guest starred on Ellen's sitcom as herself. In one scene, Ellen took a couple of honey buns and put them on the sides of her head. So either she was kidding or her memory is as bad as her character in Finding Nemo.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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Scary thing is, it wouldn't take much for George to insert a couple shots of an aged Bail Organa into Episode IV.

Where were you in '77?

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Originally posted by: SilverWook
Scary thing is, it wouldn't take much for George to insert a couple shots of an aged Bail Organa into Episode IV.


I would like that... A LOT
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Yeah, I have thought about that, and it's probably true for some young children. I'm sure most of them were properly educated by their parents, but it's a thought that really scares me. What's this world coming to?

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They'll probably think ANH is new when Lucas re-releases it in theters in 2007.
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Originally posted by: SilverWook
Scary thing is, it wouldn't take much for George to insert a couple shots of an aged Bail Organa into Episode IV.



I beg you, DON'T GIVE HIM ANY MORE (BAD) IDEAS!
"...all Jedi Had was a bunch of muppets." - Dante Hicks (Clerks)

Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

I would like that... A LOT



You (and marioxb) would.
"...all Jedi Had was a bunch of muppets." - Dante Hicks (Clerks)

Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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Originally posted by: marioxb
Think about it. I did when I saw Episode III in the theater (twice by the way, more than I have seen any other SW in the theater, unless you count the 1997 releases, meaning I have seen III-VI exactly twice each in the theaters).

OK. You are a kid born after 1983. Somehow you were living under a rock and never heard of the "internet" or "Star Wars". 1999 rolls around and you watch this cool movie called Star Wars: Episode I: The Phantom Menace. "Hmm, that was pretty cool." Three years later a sequel comes out. "Even better! I can't wait for part 3!" Then you watch it and love it. "WOW! When are they gonna make a sequel to this one! That was the best one yet! I can't wait to see what happens to those babies and Anakin! What's his name now, um Darth Tater or something? Oh yeah Darth Vader. I bet in 2008 they will probably make an episode IV! That would be awesome!"

Then he's at wal-mart. A box set of episodes IV-VI! "Woah! That was fast! Man I didn't think one more would be made this fast! They made three more and they were all direct to video? That sucks! Oh well, I'll buy it anyway. I gotta see what happens next!!"

Think about it! I bet there is at least ONE person in the world that thinks like this. And with the quality of the DVD releases I can actually believe that they were filmed post-2005. As it should seem.



Insanity... PURE insanity in it's most blatent form.
"...all Jedi Had was a bunch of muppets." - Dante Hicks (Clerks)

Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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I have a friend whose older brother watched the originals a lot when she was a kid. Like most girls she didn't pay any attention, and says she didn't understand it. Now she has seen the PT and is a big fan of it, but doesn't bother to watch the originals because of memories that "they were hard to understand" (???????). It's extremely annoying to me, but I am trying to lead her to watch the OT. She doesn't have anything against it, just is lazy about it I guess. I know there are actually a lot of people out there like this. I've talked to them.
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Originally posted by: Scotty Balls
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

I would like that... A LOT



You (and marioxb) would.


So?

Plus, for me, when watching the movies in chronological order, I really can pretend that ANH was released AFTER Sith. And that is only possible with the DVD edition with all of their glorious changes.

Y'know, Adam, we should start our own forums, Star Wars Complete Saga.com or something. I bet there are more of us (prequel/ SE lovers) out there than there are haters. We are just the only two that post on these forums.

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Originally posted by: marioxb
I bet there are more of us (prequel/ SE lovers) out there than there are haters. We are just the only two that post on these forums.



I'll bet your wrong.

Mario, I really want you to do me a favor. I want you to search for, download & read the early drafts of the Script for Star Wars. After you read those, what the PT, and you tell me then that you really believe that GL had the story all planned back when he filmed SW.

So far, you & adam are tied for the first monthly Rick McCallum Award. But, there is still hope for the both of you. Read those rough drafts, and renounce the propagaqnda that GL has foisted upon you. You ARE allowed to think for yourself, and not let Lucas tell you what to like, and hope to think & feel about a franchise that has become more popular & successful than its creator ever hoped or dreamed it come be.

Come back to light. I beg you.
"...all Jedi Had was a bunch of muppets." - Dante Hicks (Clerks)

Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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OK, but movies are meant to be FUN! And to a lot of us, the prequels are. My girlfriend only saw them in Lucas' intended order and loved them. Well she's in love with Hayden and calls me Anakin and has me call her Padme sometimes, but that's beside the point. I know he did have some backstory planned, and if wasn't exactly the same as what we saw, so what? He knows this and he enjoys his own movies, so why can't we?

Look, the prequels were already made. We can't change that. Same with the OT. I guess Lucas could have digitally changed Hayden's (and Jake Lloyd's) eye color to be the same as Sebastion Shaw's, but wouldn't that be a lot more work than changing something that's only on screen for two seconds? Now Yoda in TPM NEEDS to be changed. So there's a PT change to accomidate the OT, it does work both ways.

You gotta admit the changes to the OT to fit the PT are all very minor and are only on the screen for no more than 5 minutes tops. (even if you add up all the changes together it won't total more than five minutes (Krayt dragon call, Boba Fett's 3 lines, Emperor scene in ESB/ unmasking/ ghost/ Naboo and Jedi Temple in celebration). Am I missing anything? The other changes had nothing to do with the PT.

What would you have done differently? Obviously since at least 1980 there were plans to someday make 1-3. How would YOUR episodes 1-3 have gone down?
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Originally posted by: marioxb
OK, but movies are meant to be FUN! And to a lot of us, the prequels are. My girlfriend only saw them in Lucas' intended order and loved them. Well she's in love with Hayden and calls me Anakin and has me call her Padme sometimes, but that's beside the point. I know he did have some backstory planned, and if wasn't exactly the same as what we saw, so what? He knows this and he enjoys his own movies, so why can't we?

Look, the prequels were already made. We can't change that. Same with the OT. I guess Lucas could have digitally changed Hayden's (and Jake Lloyd's) eye color to be the same as Sebastion Shaw's, but wouldn't that be a lot more work than changing something that's only on screen for two seconds? Now Yoda in TPM NEEDS to be changed. So there's a PT change to accomidate the OT, it does work both ways.

You gotta admit the changes to the OT to fit the PT are all very minor and are only on the screen for no more than 5 minutes tops. (even if you add up all the changes together it won't total more than five minutes (Krayt dragon call, Boba Fett's 3 lines, Emperor scene in ESB/ unmasking/ ghost/ Naboo and Jedi Temple in celebration). Am I missing anything? The other changes had nothing to do with the PT.

What would you have done differently? Obviously since at least 1980 there were plans to someday make 1-3. How would YOUR episodes 1-3 have gone down?


Lucas' intended order? Man, that's twisted. I can shut that notion down in one sentence. If it was Lucas' intended order, he would have made the films in that order. Case closed.

I see what you're saying with regards to the changes working both ways, though, but here's the argument from 'our' side. The PT, having come after the OT, should have been based heavily upon the OT. That means that if Lucas used Shaw to play Anakin in Return of the Jedi, he should have picked actors that looked at least vaguely like him (I though Lake Lloyd, did, but his performance did suck whether it was his fault or not), and if not, used things like contact lenses and hair colouring to get things accurate. Now, I personally (and I'm sure I can speak for a lot of people on this forum) LOVE the OT films just the way they were, so why should I have to sacrifice the integrity of my favourite films because George Lucas can't be bothered to give PT actors contact lenses? Or, moreover, why can't we have the OT films that we loved on an officially released DVD at least alongside the version with the changes, if not on its own? The answer is basically because George Lucas was too careless in his handling of the PT (and I'm talking about more than just eye colour here), is covering his tracks by making changes to these films that we loved as they were, and so now the errors made in creating the PT have compounded to affect the OT films which we loved in their original form. So, above and beyond anything else, it is the frustration that the classic OT films should suffer needlessly because a) Lucas was too careless in his treatment of the prequels, and b) he insists on remedying these mistakes through changing things other than the mistakes themselves, all in the name of 'original vision'. Eye colour was merely an example here, but can you see the argument? I'm not asking you to agree, necessarily, just understand...

P.S. I rewrote (and I mean, pretty much, from scratch) the screenplays to Episodes I and II and put them up here, and I am in the process of rewriting Episode III, which I will finish when I return from the US. So, I am not a 'hater' (hate that term) that just sits there and complains and points fingers, I've actually taken action to demonstrate that things can be different, and, in my opinion, better.
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Mario,

You are consistantly missing the point. You keeps saying that the PT and the new version of the OT are Lucas' original vision, and what he intended all along.

Just about everybody here has been proving you wrong. Lucas' original vision of the back story is what is shown in the rough drafts of the screenplay. If you'd actually take the time to take your face away from GL's crotch and/or ass & download the early drafts, you'd see just how full of shit Lucas is now.

When you finally do that, you'll see through the bullshit and then you WILL get the point.


Let me put it another way:

How would you (or anybody else here) feel if Paul McCartney & Ringo Starr went back into the studio and made changes to Sgt. Pepper, and then claimed it that the changes finally made the album the way they had originally wanted it to be in 1967?
"...all Jedi Had was a bunch of muppets." - Dante Hicks (Clerks)

Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS