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Originally posted by: Scotty Balls
Originally posted by: marioxb
Honestly, what was REALLY changed in the OT only to match with the PT? All I can say is Hayden Christensen and Boba Fett's voice. Nothing else. It wasn't possible to have those two things back when the movies were made, so obviously they had to be added, and IMO the movies as a whole saga (the only way they should ever be watched) are better for it.

Everything else was only changed to better the effects/ restore to his original vision. This would have been done (and was) even if there never were any prequels.

I challenge people to find other examples than the two I listed above that were changed ONLY because the prequel trilogy exists. The Emperor thing I don't count, (maybe the dialouge..?) because it should have been the same dude from RotJ all along.


Does he REALLY want to go there? God, I hope not.... Oh well. Here we go.

How about these changes:

Adding footage from ROTJ into TESB (Vader's shuttle)
Greedo shooting first (COMPLETELY changing Solo's character from an "integrity challenged, shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy that eventually lets' his conscience get the bst of him & does the right thing" into a "Completely honorable, do the right thing, acting in self defense kinda guy"
Boba Fett in ANH - WHY???!!??? What purpose does that serve? If anything, it makes him look like another one of Jabba's flunkies who's been there all along, instead of "the best bounty hunter in the galaxy".
The Wampa in TESB. I always thought that scene was much scarier when you just heard it. Seeing it ruins it for me. Implied violence is ALWAYS more effective than when it's displayed.

And how about the BIGGEST change of all; GL HIMSELF telling us on the Audio Commentaries of the 2004 DVDs that when Leia tells Luke about her mother, that she's talking about her ADOPTED Mother. Ever since 1983, we ALL knew that Leia was talking about (who ended up as) Padme. But GL decided to kill her off in Ep 3, which TOTALLY CONTRADICTS Leia saying, "she died when I was very young".

Are those enough changes for you?

Well, duh! I know what was changed! But I said what was changed ONLY to fit with the prequel trilogy. None of the above qualifies, except the commentary, which I actually didn't listedn to yet and didn't know he said that. I forgot about the celebration. OK, so there were a few minor details added to the celebration because of the PT. Big deal.


Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS


Nope. DARTH VADER was an old man when he died. ANAKIN died at the same time as Mace Windu.

Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

Actually, there is a place where he would fit extremely well. After Alderaan is destroyed, Obi-Wan feels the disturbance, and sets down. A scene could be added directly before (or directly after) this moment, where Dagobah is once again established, and Yoda senses the destruction just as Obi-Wan does.


Yup. Just like I said when I started this thread. Though it should be a clip of him already on Dagobah, instead of landing there, unlike my original idea.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Original classics untouched bla, bla, bla. But ONLY for comparisions sake if you ask me. Just to see the "workprint" versions as I will from now on refer to them.
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"But, it's more than obvious to me (and hopefully others) that 3P0 DID have at least 1 memory wipe in between ROTS & ANH."

Of course it's obvious, considering it's spelled out in one of the last lines of ROTS.
I wouldn't be surprised if fans missed it though, they were either shitting their pants in excitement about how much they liked the movie and doesn't the Tantive IV look nice, or they were ripping up their tickets and throwing popcorn at Rick McCallum.

"Nope. DARTH VADER was an old man when he died. ANAKIN died at the same time as Mace Windu."

This is why split personalities don't convince me at all.
Who was the guy going "Tell your sister you were right", then? Al Franken???
If the idea was that the 'good man who was your father' died when he was young, why didn't they hire some Hamill-esque actor to play Anakin's ghost back in '83??

It's alllll bunk, of course the justification for throwing young-Anakin into ROTJ makes 'some' kind of sense, but it still seems ridicuous to me.

And Yoda, in ANH? That's what, 15-30 seconds of footage you're talking about throwing in there. That's going to slow down the movie and keep us waiting on the bit where Luke gets his first hint of what this Force stuff is all about. If you ask me, that's bad filmmaking, let's not go there.

Cool scenes of Yoda landing on Dagobah, of Darth Vader arriving on his Star Destroyer, of a droid analysing a dart... THAT stuff is the reason we have "Extra Features". It's neat on it's own, but in the movie it just doesn't go.

Though, if you want my opinion (ok, you don't, I've been told this before but here goes) that Anakin punching Greedo in the tits scene shoulda gone in the movie, along with slicing open that probe droid.
After all, why is Qui-Gon running in the next scene? Ok, maybe he's just paranoid but if you ask me that other bit was good.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
That's exactly the problem, though. It's not "a trilogy" anymore. It's parts 4, 5, and 6 of a complete saga. Yoda is not introduced in ESB, he's introduced in TPM. Because of that, having him in ANH actually makes more sense, as it would let you know that yes, after 20 years, the old jedi is still around.


I'm now absolutely convinced that anyone who watches all six movies in chronological order has no appreciation for good storytelling.

4-5-6-1-2-3 is good storytelling.

1-2-3-4-5-6 is an encyclopedia.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
[Q} Nope. DARTH VADER was an old man when he died. ANAKIN died at the same time as Mace Windu.

If Anakin died then, WHO killed The Emperor? Who said to Luke, "Let me look on you with my own eyes.", and "Tell your sister you were right."?

Nothing personal, but it's "fans" like you that keep giving GL license to "improve" the OT. Adamwan, You seem like a nice guy, but after reading your posts here and on the "what changes would you like to see on the 2007..." thread, I feel that you fit into the same catagory. I respect the fact that you both have the right to your own opinion, but it's clear to me that you have no appreciation for film as an artform. Even with it's MANY flaws originally (and there are SEVERAL) ROTJ was still (story-wise, anyway) a perfect end to the saga, and SW & TESB were perfect as they WERE. Now it's just crap. That's why on the few occasions I actually watch the films, I will ALWAYS go with a bootleg set of the films (Usually the Edit Droid collection) before even thinking about pulling the 2004 box off the shelf.


And with all due respect to our fearless leader Jay, I agree with part of what you said. 4, 5, 6 IS great storytelling. 1,2,3 is so full of holes that everything suffers, and changig the OT just compounds that error.
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Yeah.
It's that revisionist way of operating that really gets me shitty. Say what you will about Star Trek, but the best stuff was with Kirk and all. When I heard they'd make something from before Kirk's time (Enterprise) I was interested to see what'd happen - and what did I get?? Complete *crap* that shat all over the hard work of Roddenberry, Justman and Solow and everyone who put their bloody lives into that kick-arse show from the 60's. They just tossed it aside because they didn't have the integrity to make something that fit in with the old; they took the easy road (like Lucas) and just made something that didn't even try to fit with established material.
It's pisspoor.

Having said that, I'm in love with Linda Park and Jolene Blalock so Enterprise wasn't a complete catastrophe. But it's pretty close.
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"Actually, there is a place where he would fit extremely well. After Alderaan is destroyed, Obi-Wan feels the disturbance, and sets down. A scene could be added directly before (or directly after) this moment, where Dagobah is once again established, and Yoda senses the destruction just as Obi-Wan does."

No, that wouldn't work. It just would not work. The pacing would be screwed - and everytime they add something they ruin the pacing, so things'd only be worse in the end.

It's like adding a scene of people on Alderaan seeing the Death Star coming up and freaking out and then getting roasted... by gosh it'd be cool to see if done right, but it really doesn't fit in the flow of the movie.
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OK, Anakin came back BREIFLY at the end of RotJ to talk to and save his son. Darth Vader even said a little while before that Anakin had no meaning for him.

And I said many times, I like the original versions and have nothing against them. I just prefer the newer ones because I love having perfect continuity and better effects. When I watch the movies now (in order) I like to pretend that 4, 5, 6 were actually filmed AFTER 1, 2 and 3. With the official DVD's that is easy to do. I think that is the intention. I was born in 1976. The originals were cool back then. It wasn't until I had my eyes opened by the WAY BETTER 1997 special editions and the SWEET DVD versions that the originals became inferior. Just like on the Beauty and the Beast DVD, where they have the workprint version of the film. It's cool to have, but that shouldn't be the version you actually WATCH, other than to compare it or show it to someone that's never seen it that way.
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Since when do workprints get released to theaters and sold many times over on various home video formats to the tune of many billions of dollars?

Changing your mind down the road and "fixing" your work doesn't make the original release a workprint.
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Originally posted by: Jay

Changing your mind down the road and "fixing" your work doesn't make the original release a workprint.


Exactly- it just makes the person who changed his mind and then pretends other versions never existed look like an ass-clown.
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"OK, Anakin came back BREIFLY at the end of RotJ to talk to and save his son. Darth Vader even said a little while before that Anakin had no meaning for him" by Marioxb
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Came back from what..I dont buy this split personailty wrap for Vader. Sometimes good people get mixed up in a cult and do bad things and then one day they see the light. Vader was in denial of his life
as Anakin. I dont think he was seperate from that idenitity. His life as Anakin and eventual deformity made him claim he had no relationship to Anakin.

Anakin even as a child and teen had dark elements to his personality, when he took on the lifestyle in the shadows of the emperor he just let those dark elements rule his life.I dont think he stepped outside of himself when he commited those acts against the galaxy, it was just a part of who he had become.

When someone is born special or extrodinary in some way there is usually a fine line between genius, or hero, and a pyscho-path. I think thats clearly Anakin/Vader. Some people are tempted by evil and over come it, some embrace it, I dont think thats nessecarily Dissociative Idenitity Disorder.

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Originally posted by: marioxb
OK, Anakin came back BREIFLY at the end of RotJ to talk to and save his son. Darth Vader even said a little while before that Anakin had no meaning for him.

And I said many times, I like the original versions and have nothing against them. I just prefer the newer ones because I love having perfect continuity and better effects. When I watch the movies now (in order) I like to pretend that 4, 5, 6 were actually filmed AFTER 1, 2 and 3. With the official DVD's that is easy to do. I think that is the intention. I was born in 1976. The originals were cool back then. It wasn't until I had my eyes opened by the WAY BETTER 1997 special editions and the SWEET DVD versions that the originals became inferior. Just like on the Beauty and the Beast DVD, where they have the workprint version of the film. It's cool to have, but that shouldn't be the version you actually WATCH, other than to compare it or show it to someone that's never seen it that way.


Being born in 1976 makes you too young to understand how much better the films were as they were ORIGINALLY RELEASED. In addition, your willingness to believe every last bit of bullshit & propaganda that GL has been spewing since 1997 show me that you are not to be taken seriously.

You're almost laughable, and I truly feel sorry for you & your inability to see through the smokescreen.
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I just really like the newer versions better. That's it.
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I really don't see why some people view the change from Anakin to Vader so frickin' literally! He didn't literally become a new person. The old Anakin didn't literally die. That'd be like me saying I became Jay. I died, but I became Jay, so it's all cool. Is it so hard to think metaphorically?! He's literally the same person. He's just a changed person who disassociated himself with they way he was previoiusly. It's just like when an adult male looks back on some of the crazy things he did as a teenager, and he goes, "Wow, that was really stupid." He's not that same crazy teen, but it's not like he's suddenly gotten a new body and soul.

Come on, metaphor. Some people really need to look into it, especially George. Except that I don't believe George changed the ghost to Hayden because he actually believed Anakin and Vader were two separate human beings. He just did it to create that forced continuity that some people just gobble up.

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Um... no. You cannot make such a statement when it's impossible to honestly know what people do and don't understand.

I like the changes, and I most definately "get" the purposes of the films.
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Okay, well I've never seen anyone who supports the changes satisfactorily demonstrate either in written form or in verbal that they fully grasp the greater themes presented in the OT.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Um... no. You cannot make such a statement when it's impossible to honestly know what people do and don't understand.

I like the changes, and I most definately "get" the purposes of the films.
no youre just lucas sycophants. cant you guys make up youre own minds. everything you guys say in defense of the prequels and SE is the exact same bullshit lucas has been saying since 1997. WAKE UP!

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I think I'm going to create a monthly bullshit award.

the "Rick McCallum Award for excellence in verbally sucking George Lucas' cock".

Any nominees for February?

Feel free to send all your nominations to me via Private message, and I will announce the results on the first of each month.

this could be fun
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Originally posted by: battlewars
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Um... no. You cannot make such a statement when it's impossible to honestly know what people do and don't understand.

I like the changes, and I most definately "get" the purposes of the films.
no youre just lucas sycophants. cant you guys make up youre own minds. everything you guys say in defense of the prequels and SE is the exact same bullshit lucas has been saying since 1997. WAKE UP!


That's because we like his ideas with the PT and SE.
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"and I most definately "get" the purposes of the films."

You don't even "get" the fact that you are the laughingstock/whipping boy of these boards. You don't even "get" half the posts on these forums!

If you were to "get" anything, I wish it was "lost".

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"and I most definately "get" the purposes of the films."

You don't even "get" the fact that you are the laughingstock/whipping boy of these boards. You don't even "get" half the posts on these forums!

If you were to "get" anything, I wish it was "lost".


But I do, without a doubt, "get" the SW films.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

If you were to "get" anything, I wish it was "lost".


Here it comes....

Wait for it....

Are you ready???


BURN!!!