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Originally posted by: marioxb

So? That's the only way my girlfriend ever saw them, and the way I will always recommend to watch them. It was a totally different experience for her. She knew that Darth was Luke and Leia's dad and that L&L were brother and sister. She kept asking me, "So when is Luke gonna find out that's his dad?" or when will they find out they are brother and sister? I told her to just wait and see. So there can still be surprises. YOU know, but you don't know when the characters will know. I think it's a really cool experience to watch 1-2-clone wars-3-4-5-6 in that order. All of the movies are AWESOME in every way.


That's my opinion as well.
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All of the movies are AWESOME in every way.


Sure they are if you like poor acting, shitty dialog & even shittier direction (SW & TESB excluded). IMO, ROTJ & the PT are steaming piles of dog shit, and the clone wars cartoons are nothing more than glorified flash animation.

Look at ROTJ, Harrison Ford didn't want to be in that film. He even suggested that GL kill him off. But GL said no, and Ford looked completely bored throughout the entire film. Carrie Fisher was so coked up that she had no idea what film she was making, and it shows in her performance. Granted, Mark Hamil was good (of course, after his performances in the first 2 films, he HAD to be), and Ian McDiarmid was fantastic, but other than that....

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion.
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I just wish they were filmed in order so everyone can finally shut up. It would have been funny if they were filmed completly out of order. Like Clone Wars, 6, 2, 5, 1, 4, 3. Then people would probably say they were meant to be watched im this order. I know I saw the orginal in '77 when I was a baby, but I was too young to remember that. I remember asking my dad how come it said Episode IV and he really didn't know. I was always hoping that there would be a 1 2 and 3 and I got my wish and I was never disappointed.
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I agree with what your saying Scotty the quality of the films for me definatly dropped after The Empire Strikes Back. though I probably dont dislike the others as much as you.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
I just wish they were filmed in order so everyone can finally shut up. It would have been funny if they were filmed completly out of order. Like Clone Wars, 6, 2, 5, 1, 4, 3. Then people would probably say they were meant to be watched im this order. I know I saw the orginal in '77 when I was a baby, but I was too young to remember that.


Amen, brotha!
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Originally posted by: marioxb
I just wish they were filmed in order so everyone can finally shut up.


They WERE filmed in order. If you've ever read ANY of the early drafts of the screenplay for Star Wars, you will see that NONE of the backstory that GL CLAIMED he had written for the PT appears.

What he came up with (as he went along) for the PT has no resemblance to the early drafts whatsoever. That's why I say that GL is a HACK. Instead of writing a PROPER story for the PT, he changed the OT to fit his new stuff.

Nothing like a little revisionist history, eh kids? I guess GL thought to himself, "As long as I slap the brand name STAR WARS on it, nobody will notice."

WRONG AGAIN.

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Honestly, what was REALLY changed in the OT only to match with the PT? All I can say is Hayden Christensen and Boba Fett's voice. Nothing else. It wasn't possible to have those two things back when the movies were made, so obviously they had to be added, and IMO the movies as a whole saga (the only way they should ever be watched) are better for it.

Everything else was only changed to better the effects/ restore to his original vision. This would have been done (and was) even if there never were any prequels.

I challenge people to find other examples than the two I listed above that were changed ONLY because the prequel trilogy exists. The Emperor thing I don't count, (maybe the dialouge..?) because it should have been the same dude from RotJ all along.
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You'll count Hayden Christensen, but you won't count Ian McDiarmid? Wow, that's selective viewing, for sure. Okay, so, apparently those examples aren't glaring enough for you. For most of us, they are. Well, you wanted another one. Here it is: adding the Jedi temple into the end of Return of the Jedi. There. Is that enough for you? How about digitally painting over Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows so they'd match the burned face that Hayden had even when Revenge of the Sith had yet to be released? Want another one? I got one. Changing Ben's noise to scare away the sandpeople to match that horribly annoying lizard creature he rides in Revenge of the Sith. When I first saw ROTS and realized that it was the same noise I'd noticed had been changed several months earlier, I wanted to strangle somebody.

Well, I met your challenge. Do I get a cookie or something?

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
How about digitally painting over Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows so they'd match the burned face that Hayden had even when Revenge of the Sith had yet to be released?


That was actually always a continuity eroor, since we all new what had happened to him, even when ANH first came out.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
How about digitally painting over Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows so they'd match the burned face that Hayden had even when Revenge of the Sith had yet to be released?


That was actually always a continuity eroor, since we all new what had happened to him, even when ANH first came out.


How is that a continuity error? The Anakin, as he appears at the end of ROTJ, is obviously a burn victim. It's not ignoring the fact that he was lavafied. Who's to say he was necessarily burned in his eyebrow area? There was nothing wrong with the scene before, and I had no idea why it was changed until I saw ROTS. And then I groaned.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Originally posted by: marioxb
Honestly, what was REALLY changed in the OT only to match with the PT? All I can say is Hayden Christensen and Boba Fett's voice. Nothing else. It wasn't possible to have those two things back when the movies were made, so obviously they had to be added, and IMO the movies as a whole saga (the only way they should ever be watched) are better for it.

Everything else was only changed to better the effects/ restore to his original vision. This would have been done (and was) even if there never were any prequels.

I challenge people to find other examples than the two I listed above that were changed ONLY because the prequel trilogy exists. The Emperor thing I don't count, (maybe the dialouge..?) because it should have been the same dude from RotJ all along.



Does he REALLY want to go there? God, I hope not.... Oh well. Here we go.

How about these changes:

Adding footage from ROTJ into TESB (Vader's shuttle)
Greedo shooting first (COMPLETELY changing Solo's character from an "integrity challenged, shoot first, ask questions later kinda guy that eventually lets' his conscience get the bst of him & does the right thing" into a "Completely honorable, do the right thing, acting in self defense kinda guy"
Boba Fett in ANH - WHY???!!??? What purpose does that serve? If anything, it makes him look like another one of Jabba's flunkies who's been there all along, instead of "the best bounty hunter in the galaxy".
The Wampa in TESB. I always thought that scene was much scarier when you just heard it. Seeing it ruins it for me. Implied violence is ALWAYS more effective than when it's displayed.

And how about the BIGGEST change of all; GL HIMSELF telling us on the Audio Commentaries of the 2004 DVDs that when Leia tells Luke about her mother, that she's talking about her ADOPTED Mother. Ever since 1983, we ALL knew that Leia was talking about (who ended up as) Padme. But GL decided to kill her off in Ep 3, which TOTALLY CONTRADICTS Leia saying, "she died when I was very young".

Are those enough changes for you?



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How about digitally painting over Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows so they'd match the burned face that Hayden had even when Revenge of the Sith had yet to be released? Want another one? I got one. Changing Ben's noise to scare away the sandpeople to match that horribly annoying lizard creature he rides in Revenge of the Sith. When I first saw ROTS and realized that it was the same noise I'd noticed had been changed several months earlier, I wanted to strangle somebody.


DAMN! I forgot about those. The senate building is at the end of ROTJ too, along with Naboo (and Jar Jar as the gungan shouting out "Wesa freeeeeeeee!!")

MORE reasons the hate GL

Keep those cards & letters coming in folks.
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it should have been the same dude from RotJ all along.


If you REALLY want to get technical, it should have been the uncredited Old lady with the Monkey eyes superimposed over her own, & Clive Reville doing the voice all along, seeing as how THEY were the Emperor in TESB.


Also, regarding something mentioned in a much earlier post. Nobody has disputed the fact that from the time we first see C-3P0 in ANH until the latest book in the EU that he's never had a memory wipe. Memory wipes were VERY common practice in droid maintenance. R2 & 3P0 were exceptions to that rule because they never had memory wipes from ANH on. But, it's more than obvious to me (and hopefully others) that 3P0 DID have at least 1 memory wipe in between ROTS & ANH.




Sorry for all the posts. I just keep forgetting more & more stuff that I want to say.
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I dont like the idea of inserting Yoda in ANH..
Ive always felt yoda's entrance into the saga was so magical..and thats the THING about the OT ..Its 100% MOVIE MAGIC..and I feel thats something that cant be reproduced or forced into a movie, it just happens....You know the chills you get while watching legendary films in a montage, for me thats the OT, in its originality.
Since the prequels.. the struggle with making eveything flow and produce continuity kills some of the magic for me. I just enjoy the OT as the OT. It was perfect in my opinon before it was tweaked.

Starwars is so rare in the fact that most of the public accepts the fact that the Lucas can go in and change his film becux he isnt satisfied.. but MOST directors/writers/producers arent satisfied with their films but it would be a total sin to change a classic like Citizen Kane or Casablanca, granted starwars isnt equal on a acting scale as those films, but its a modern classic like those are classics..the OT are modern classics and in my opinion altering them in any way past upgrading the audio and clarity of the film is wrong.

~*Trin*~
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Originally posted by: Trinity_Strikes_Back
I dont like the idea of inserting Yoda in ANH..
Ive always felt yoda's entrance into the saga was so magical..and thats the THING about the OT ..Its 100% MOVIE MAGIC..and I feel thats something that cant be reproduced or forced into a movie, it just happens....You know the chills you get while watching legendary films in a montage, for me thats the OT, in its originality.
Since the prequels.. the struggle with making eveything flow and produce continuity kills some of the magic for me. I just enjoy the OT as the OT. It was perfect in my opinon before it was tweaked.

Starwars is so rare in the fact that most of the public accepts the fact that the Lucas can go in and change his film becux he isnt satisfied.. but MOST directors/writers/producers arent satisfied with their films but it would be a total sin to change a classic like Citizen Kane or Casablanca, granted starwars isnt equal on a acting scale as those films, but its a modern classic like those are classics..the OT are modern classics and in my opinion altering them in any way past upgrading the audio and clarity of the film is wrong.

~*Trin*~


That's exactly the problem, though. It's not "a trilogy" anymore. It's parts 4, 5, and 6 of a complete saga. Yoda is not introduced in ESB, he's introduced in TPM. Because of that, having him in ANH actually makes more sense, as it would let you know that yes, after 20 years, the old jedi is still around.
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Yoda should've just been deleted visually from the PT and only mentioned. This doesn't spoil the character, only lets the audience know that Obi-Wan does indeed know a mysterious Jedi teacher called Yoda.
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"That's exactly the problem, though. It's not "a trilogy" anymore. It's parts 4, 5, and 6 of a complete saga. Yoda is not introduced in ESB, he's introduced in TPM. Because of that, having him in ANH actually makes more sense, as it would let you know that yes, after 20 years, the old jedi is still around. "


I agree ...
It makes sense and thats the problem for me...
unfortunately the new movies are made and now the old ones are being "corrected" to match the new ones. I just liked them the way they were to start with.
I loved the idea of presequels just not at the expense of the original films.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
That's exactly the problem, though. It's not "a trilogy" anymore. It's parts 4, 5, and 6 of a complete saga. Yoda is not introduced in ESB, he's introduced in TPM. Because of that, having him in ANH actually makes more sense, as it would let you know that yes, after 20 years, the old jedi is still around.


But even if you view them as a complete saga, and this is something that that marioxb, or whatever his name is, brought up, wouldn't you want the "surprise" of if he is around preserved? And if you have a movie where he doesn't appear, doesn't that make you wonder more, "What happened to Yoda? Is he okay?" Plus, like I've said before, he has no role in the original Star Wars. What would you have him do? Have Luke, etc. wandering around the Death Star, and then cut to a little musical number with Yoda on Dagobah, singing, "Stayin' Alive" just so you know that he's... alive?

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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"What would you have him do? Have Luke, etc. wandering around the Death Star, and then cut to a little musical number with Yoda on Dagobah, singing, "Stayin' Alive" just so you know that he's... alive?"

OMG thats great! (mental picture)!!

~*Trin*~
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
What would you have him do? Have Luke, etc. wandering around the Death Star, and then cut to a little musical number with Yoda on Dagobah, singing, "Stayin' Alive" just so you know that he's... alive?


Actually, there is a place where he would fit extremely well. After Alderaan is destroyed, Obi-Wan feels the disturbance, and sets down. A scene could be added directly before (or directly after) this moment, where Dagobah is once again established, and Yoda senses the destruction just as Obi-Wan does.
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c'mon folks, is this deluded fan boy dreaming or what?