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What If Ian Had Said No To Appearing In Empire Strikes Back? — Page 2
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Originally posted by: Gaffer TapeAnd I'm curious, Number 20, how could he have done that scene without Ian and make it as close to Ian as he wanted?
There is a post in ESB Classic Edition thread where OCPMovie explains how he did it. But he used Ian's dialouge from the DVD, he just re-edited the lines to match the ESB emperor.
In my opinion, Ian did a great job throughout the prequels, even in ROTS. Yes, he was a bit over the top, but not overly so. The worst thing about ROTS, in my opinon, was the lousy make-up job they did for the emperor. Did they even see ROTJ? He didn't look anything like he did in ROTJ. The ROTJ make-up looked good. the ROTS make-up looked like a joke.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
But branching from that topic, if Hayden had wanted to, and I already know he was thrilled too, Adam, couldn't he have sued George for using his likeness without his permission in Return of the Jedi?
Probably if his contract didn't include it. Many people don't read the contracts they sign. So, he might be contractually obligated to do even more Star Wars movies(mabye the reason for the change)pure speculation here.
Read my post here It's at the end. I figured out which scene in ROTS his image is taken from! Yes, it's from the movie proper just an alternate angle!
but in the video interview, he acts like he did.
But branching from that topic, if Hayden had wanted to, and I already know he was thrilled too, Adam, couldn't he have sued George for using his likeness without his permission in Return of the Jedi?
Probably if his contract didn't include it. Many people don't read the contracts they sign. So, he might be contractually obligated to do even more Star Wars movies(mabye the reason for the change)pure speculation here.
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
That was never officially confirmed. Only from a "supposed" interview with Hayden.
That was never officially confirmed. Only from a "supposed" interview with Hayden.
Read my post here It's at the end. I figured out which scene in ROTS his image is taken from! Yes, it's from the movie proper just an alternate angle!
but in the video interview, he acts like he did.
here's that AOL interview that you say that he knew. He just says that he "got a real kick out of it".
In regards to Ian saying no. I agree that he would have had a CG face then. Just using the original voice.
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I was just wondering what George would have done if Ian McDiarmid thought like we do and refused to allow George to reshoot him for Empire Strikes Back. It's funny that George has all the power in the world when it comes to his Star Wars empire, but he would be completely thwarted if Ian had simply said, "No. I don't want to do this." What do you think his reaction would have been? I can almost see him holding his breath and jumping up and down like a toddler until Ian agreed. Or maybe going on an LFL killing spree because he couldn't have his way. Thoughts?
I was just wondering what George would have done if Ian McDiarmid thought like we do and refused to allow George to reshoot him for Empire Strikes Back. It's funny that George has all the power in the world when it comes to his Star Wars empire, but he would be completely thwarted if Ian had simply said, "No. I don't want to do this." What do you think his reaction would have been? I can almost see him holding his breath and jumping up and down like a toddler until Ian agreed. Or maybe going on an LFL killing spree because he couldn't have his way. Thoughts?
OMG I have images of Isla Fisher in Wedding Crashers in my head now! LOL.
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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LOL...I presume you are referring to a "fluffer"?
Otherwise, I'm in agreement with you about Ewan and Ian saving the PT."I figured out which scene in ROTS his image is taken from! Yes, it's from the movie proper just an alternate angle!"
Attaboy, Twister.
Of course, this very same thing was done in Gladiator, but for decidedly different reasons. <span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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The thing about the HC image is that it's just an alternate angle of the end of the "farewell old friend" scene. I totally saw this in the theater and, forgot which scene I saw it in. I thought I was seeing what I wanted to see then I just re-figured it out. I mean look at it the actions are almost completely the same! Hayden looks down happy looks to his right then, has a creepy/semi-mad face a moment later. This also disproves the thought that he knew he was being filmed for it<edit>For it to be inserted into Return of the Jedi I mean.</edit>.
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So, I don't know where you two got links to TFN from...
Tape: Minor correction: " read the post at the bottom by her."
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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"because he's nothing but George Lucas' personal "fluff girl"
LOL...I presume you are referring to a "fluffer"?
Otherwise, I'm in agreement with you about Ewan and Ian saving the PT Indeed I am, but I think the term "fluff GIRL" is more appropriate in McCallum's case
Anakin was an OLD MAN when he died, therefore his ghost should be old too AND WITH EYEBROWS
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This explains all the ridiculous faces he pulls during the fight scene.
LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_S6UgkQk0
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C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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I actually wanted to do some side-by-side comparison shots for that, but never got round to it... oh well!
LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_S6UgkQk0
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It was possible to edit Ian's lines to match Revill's performance ... but they had to be sped up a huge amount. Someone with professional Lucas equipment could do it better.
If Ian is ever supposed to be in Empire, the scene should be edited to match the original picture, perhaps with only the sound being changed. Lucas didn't do this, he just ruined the scene.
Revill's performance is of course much better ..... Ironically, on the film I'm restoring now, The Thief and the Cobbler, in the "butchered version" Clive Revill wound up revoicing the original actor, Sir Anthony Quayle! So he's been on both sides of that fence. Amusing. I'm using mostly Quayle lines with a couple of Revill ones snuck in.
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