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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Why do you pity them? I don't get it. What is there to pity? Seriously. In Islam, the Prophet is held in higher regard than one's parents, than one's children. And it's wrong to depict the Prophet in any demeaning or degrading way. Back in the Middle Ages, one would be beheaded for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. For them, there is a punishment worse than death for such an insult. As an analogy, how do you think many Christians would feel if a comic of Jesus Christ performing sodomy was republished in the name of free speech? Do you think they'd just shrug it off? No, probably not.
Now, I'm not condoning the actions of the extremists, but I think you should at least try to understand the sentiment, the insult, the outrage they must feel over these cartoons.
Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Just remember this: speech is free, but be prepared to suffer the consequences. As my father has frequently said, "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Originally posted by: battlewars
im just tired of tip toeing around forums just cuz i meant offend someone, it sucks
That's what the world is coming to. You can't have freedom of speech because people are so concerned with political correctness and things being offensive. I think Bush is having a bit too much impact on the world.
I pity those Muslims killing people over a frikkin cartoon.
im just tired of tip toeing around forums just cuz i meant offend someone, it sucks
That's what the world is coming to. You can't have freedom of speech because people are so concerned with political correctness and things being offensive. I think Bush is having a bit too much impact on the world.
I pity those Muslims killing people over a frikkin cartoon.
Why do you pity them? I don't get it. What is there to pity? Seriously. In Islam, the Prophet is held in higher regard than one's parents, than one's children. And it's wrong to depict the Prophet in any demeaning or degrading way. Back in the Middle Ages, one would be beheaded for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. For them, there is a punishment worse than death for such an insult. As an analogy, how do you think many Christians would feel if a comic of Jesus Christ performing sodomy was republished in the name of free speech? Do you think they'd just shrug it off? No, probably not.
Now, I'm not condoning the actions of the extremists, but I think you should at least try to understand the sentiment, the insult, the outrage they must feel over these cartoons.
Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Just remember this: speech is free, but be prepared to suffer the consequences. As my father has frequently said, "It is better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
Was that Abraham Lincoln?
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Originally posted by: sybeman
Now, I'm not condoning the actions of the extremists, but I think you should at least try to understand the sentiment, the insult, the outrage they must feel over these cartoons.
Now, I'm not condoning the actions of the extremists, but I think you should at least try to understand the sentiment, the insult, the outrage they must feel over these cartoons.
I understand the outrage, I also "understand" why Timothy McVeigh did what he did. That doesn't make either school of thought any less senseless.
American popular culture is constantly parodying Christianity, Jesus, etc. Seen South Park lately.... ever? Do you think "Soldiers of Christ" are gunning to take Matt Stone or Trey Parker down, or the American culture for nurturing them?
Any group of people that stage mass protests calling for violent retribution over a cartoon - a fucking cartoon - are idiots. It's as simple as that. I understand why fundamentalist Muslims over in their sandy anuses of countries, with their backwards "Muhammed first" logic are offended by such a cartoon - and I also understand why their extreme collective reaction was idiotic, and why those who share their sentiment are idiots.
It looks like cultrual relatavism is in, common sense is out.
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I've reread this post, and I'm afraid it might sound like I'm being condescending, but I'm really not, so please don't take it that way. I'm just trying to relate it to something near and dear to my heart.
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I've been waiting for someone to post that Mohammed Cartoon. I agree with Both Sybe and Stinky - I understand the anger but the response is an over-raction or worse - an excuse for violence.
War does not make one great.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
how bout we have certain areas, where everyone would be allowed to read, but only selected members would be able to post? Also I hate to say it, but I think this forum needs an age limit. I'd have it so only those who are 16 or older would be able to join. The would help cut down the childish posts that are increasing.
And how do we achieve that? How can we impose an age limit? By asking if he's older than 16?
One thing is trying to ignore a bully who is capable of phisically harassing you. Another thing is ignoring text on a monitor.
Originally posted by: Warbler
I say it has to stop. I say Jay has a choice to make. He can have a forum full of mature intelligent posters with few limits on what can be posteds, or a forum of trolls with no limit on what can be posted. He can't have it both ways.
how bout we have certain areas, where everyone would be allowed to read, but only selected members would be able to post? Also I hate to say it, but I think this forum needs an age limit. I'd have it so only those who are 16 or older would be able to join. The would help cut down the childish posts that are increasing.
And how do we achieve that? How can we impose an age limit? By asking if he's older than 16?
Originally posted by: Warbler
I hate it when people tell me that. That is what my parents and teachers told me to do with my bullies at school. Newflash, it didn't work.
I hate it when people tell me that. That is what my parents and teachers told me to do with my bullies at school. Newflash, it didn't work.
One thing is trying to ignore a bully who is capable of phisically harassing you. Another thing is ignoring text on a monitor.
Originally posted by: Warbler
I say it has to stop. I say Jay has a choice to make. He can have a forum full of mature intelligent posters with few limits on what can be posteds, or a forum of trolls with no limit on what can be posted. He can't have it both ways.
Warbler, I totally understand your point of view and I agree with you. I hate these trolls as much as you do, as much as all the older, serious users do, but I don't think it's fair to blame Jay for omission. He is doing what he can do under the situation and under what he has specified for this forum. Maybe with the new software he might come up with something that might make this matter a bit better...
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Originally posted by: sybeman
Why do you pity them? I don't get it. What is there to pity? Seriously. In Islam, the Prophet is held in higher regard than one's parents, than one's children. And it's wrong to depict the Prophet in any demeaning or degrading way. Back in the Middle Ages, one would be beheaded for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. For them, there is a punishment worse than death for such an insult. As an analogy, how do you think many Christians would feel if a comic of Jesus Christ performing sodomy was republished in the name of free speech? Do you think they'd just shrug it off? No, probably not.
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
That's what the world is coming to. You can't have freedom of speech because people are so concerned with political correctness and things being offensive. I think Bush is having a bit too much impact on the world.
I pity those Muslims killing people over a frikkin cartoon.
Originally posted by: battlewars
im just tired of tip toeing around forums just cuz i meant offend someone, it sucks
im just tired of tip toeing around forums just cuz i meant offend someone, it sucks
That's what the world is coming to. You can't have freedom of speech because people are so concerned with political correctness and things being offensive. I think Bush is having a bit too much impact on the world.
I pity those Muslims killing people over a frikkin cartoon.
Why do you pity them? I don't get it. What is there to pity? Seriously. In Islam, the Prophet is held in higher regard than one's parents, than one's children. And it's wrong to depict the Prophet in any demeaning or degrading way. Back in the Middle Ages, one would be beheaded for insulting the Prophet Mohammed. For them, there is a punishment worse than death for such an insult. As an analogy, how do you think many Christians would feel if a comic of Jesus Christ performing sodomy was republished in the name of free speech? Do you think they'd just shrug it off? No, probably not.
Because anyone taking such actions as killing people and destroying property over someone's opinion do not understand the concept of tolerance. You have a point. No matter the religion, I find it pathetic that people would react so violently and irrationally over someone's opinion. If that person who wrote the comic wants to put down a religious leader, I say, more power to them!
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
^ Yawn
^ Yawn
They say yawning catches on you know.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Because anyone taking such actions as killing people and destroying property over someone's opinion do not understand the concept of tolerance. You have a point. No matter the religion, I find it pathetic that people would react so violently and irrationally over someone's opinion. If that person who wrote the comic wants to put down a religious leader, I say, more power to them!
Because anyone taking such actions as killing people and destroying property over someone's opinion do not understand the concept of tolerance. You have a point. No matter the religion, I find it pathetic that people would react so violently and irrationally over someone's opinion. If that person who wrote the comic wants to put down a religious leader, I say, more power to them!
Why should they be the ones who have to learn tolerance? Shouldn't we also be tolerant of others' beliefs? Tolerance doesn't really work unless everyone is tolerant, and these cartoons don't go very far towards showing tolerance and respect for Islam. Besides, free speech isn't really free and never has been. Those cartoons, in another light, could be viewed as hate speech, and in cases where our free speech causes harm to another's culture, I feel it should be limited.
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There are only two ways to deal with the disrespectful: one is to rebuke them, and the other is to ignore them. Anything else is going to fuel their flames.
Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
There are only two ways to deal with the disrespectful: one is to rebuke them, and the other is to ignore them. Anything else is going to fuel their flames.
There are only two ways to deal with the disrespectful: one is to rebuke them, and the other is to ignore them. Anything else is going to fuel their flames.
Absolutely.
And I hate the timing of all this. You'd think that these cartoons were just published last week or something. But no. From the BBC:
30 Sept: Danish paper publishes cartoons
20 Oct: Muslim ambassadors complain to Danish PM
10 Jan: Norwegian publication reprints cartoons
26 Jan: Saudi Arabia recalls its ambassador
30 Jan: Gunmen raid EU's Gaza office demanding apology
31 Jan: Danish paper apologises
1 Feb: Papers in France, Germany, Italy and Spain reprint cartoons
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4675462.stm
Anyone want to wager a guess as to WHY this is happening NOW instead of, oh say... a few months ago?
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Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.