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Originally posted by: greencapt
... the governments of the world should take all those pirates and find, I don't know, maybe an island somewhere and ship all those dregs of society off to that island so that they can live together not hurting the outside world and breed little criminal babies. Of course in a worse case scenario they'd probably just end up forming a country or something- imagine that. No strike that idea- nobody civil would ever come out of that situation.
... the governments of the world should take all those pirates and find, I don't know, maybe an island somewhere and ship all those dregs of society off to that island so that they can live together not hurting the outside world and breed little criminal babies. Of course in a worse case scenario they'd probably just end up forming a country or something- imagine that. No strike that idea- nobody civil would ever come out of that situation.
It was called Australia I think.
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I was going to say it sounded like "Ecape From New York".
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Damn, I wonder if it was DanielB.....
Damn, I wonder if it was DanielB.....
I bet it is
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"As Lucas said, when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship you are met with not boos, but cheers."
Actually, it was Padme who said that, moron. Next, you'll be accusing Lucas of saying that destroying Alderaan would be an excellent demonstration of his powers.
Lucas says, in an interview, that when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship, if you look at history, it is passed through with support, not with bloodshed (not in those exact words) ... I believe it's on the retail DVD, if you care to look... - oh, I mean listen."As Lucas said, when moving from a democracy to a dictatorship you are met with not boos, but cheers."
Actually, it was Padme who said that, moron. Next, you'll be accusing Lucas of saying that destroying Alderaan would be an excellent demonstration of his powers.
And you know, that's what I was thinking of. But hey I suppose I can't expect much more from some little fanboy then "no that was this starwars character".
"I think that was greencapt's point because DarkFox's IP resolves to Australia"
Really - didn't I tell you I'm posting from brisbane? ... wow, that's certainly news to me. Check the IP again, I might be lying. Brisbane? pprft.
I tell you right now I think if you all looked at what you're doing in a fresh light, you'd probably understand what I'm saying. This idea that it's not piracy because it's not a "retail disc" is bogus. Tell me, suppose movie ever released on DVD is shown on TV in exactly equal quality. Let this be our assumption. Does that make it okay to trade, exchange and pass around the TV rips, rather then the ...DVD rips? What's the difference?
I've had a bad day. Thanks for your insults guys.
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It might help your case if you weren't such a dickhead.
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Originally posted by: Jay
How sad for you.
It might help your case if you weren't such a dickhead.
How sad for you.
It might help your case if you weren't such a dickhead.
I think Smeghead fits him more.
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Hey, it's just like Lucas said: "I was made to suffer. It's my lot in life."
"I tell you right now I think if you all looked at what you're doing in a fresh light, you'd probably understand what I'm saying."
I can tell you right now I think if you looked at what you're doing in a fresh light, you'd probably understand that we don't give a DarkFux.
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DanielB, if you are reading this thread. I sincerely apologize for my earlier comparison. This guy makes you look good.
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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I was shocked to see that the Bladerunner disc was the directors cut, as this is available on retail DVD. When I looked into it, I read the details and realised that it was from HD, which explained it.
Even still, the guy has a point - If you were to share a film that was not yet available as in this case, wouldnt that be considered the same as sharing a film that has left the cinema and not yet hit DVD?
I personally dont care whether any laws are being broken etc, I just think the way that some of you have lashed out at the guy for simply raising a point is purely childish.
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Originally posted by: NeilBEven still, the guy has a point - If you were to share a film that was not yet available as in this case, wouldnt that be considered the same as sharing a film that has left the cinema and not yet hit DVD?
The difference is that Blade Runner is available at retail, has been for years, and it's my expectation that anyone downloading this fan-made DVD also own a retail copy. If they don't own a retail copy, they shouldn't be downloading it.
A film that is recently out of theaters and awaiting DVD release has no retail availability. Also, it's a much more sensitive issue for studios than a 20-year-old film that has had multiple retail releases, particularly when what is being passed around is a downconversion of an HD broadcast.
And before you defend this pompous ass, check out his remarks in a completely unrelated thread where he stands on his soapbox and proceeds to tell us how uncomfortable he is with the forum as a whole.
Know, however, that these two threads have caused me to review the forum rules and clarify my expectations regarding file sharing in order to crack down on any inappropriate behavior.
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Originally posted by: Jay
But isn't this the case all the time with torrents? I wouldn't consider it the same as leaving the cinema and being copied immediately, NeilB, I consider it the same as sharing a torrent of the retail disc. What bothers me so much is that you really give preservation a bad name by copying anything you can at all under that title.Originally posted by: NeilBEven still, the guy has a point - If you were to share a film that was not yet available as in this case, wouldnt that be considered the same as sharing a film that has left the cinema and not yet hit DVD?
The difference is that Blade Runner is available at retail, has been for years, and it's my expectation that anyone downloading this fan-made DVD also own a retail copy. If they don't own a retail copy, they shouldn't be downloading it. "Know, however, that these two threads have caused me to review the forum rules and clarify my expectations regarding file sharing in order to crack down on any inappropriate behavior."
Well I'm glad you have put thought towards it, and carefully considered it.
Here's an interesting thing, NeilB and Jay - and this kind of explains why Jay and the others hold their view that sharing TV rips is different from sharing DVD rips. Us humans have a rather dull habit of always assuming we are right. What we'll do is decide on something - that is form a conclusion. That conclusion might be that "copying something off TV that's available on DVD isn't piracy because TV is a public broadcast". What that person would then do is look for evidence to support his conclusion, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This is a biased view, yes, but by habit we will all do it unless we are aware of it and choose to look at both sides carefully before reaching a solid conclusion.
I loosely work with the TV industry, and if someone abuses TV broadcasts it's not that different to abusing retail DVD's - except that there is no encryption put in place to prevent people from doing so. It would be really similar if DVD's didn't have encryption in the first place. If you copy something off TV, that's fine - no one has ever been successfully sued over that in Australia... you don't have a legal right to do so without first obtaining written permission, although so many people believe they do, and if you do record without that permission you are breaking copyright law - but as most recording (95%+) is done to "watch later" rather then to "keep", it's no bother. But what is a bother is when that copy you made is shared with others. Because that is taking works you don't own and sharing them with people who don't own them either. One of the ways TV has to try and compete with DVD is to offer people things they can't get on DVD - at least not yet. Copying and sharing this is not preservation, it's piracy. Aussies have the largest rate of TV piracy in the world, not something we should be proud of.
Because something has not been released on DVD or home video is not a ticket to copy, share and distribute it. Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was not released on home video until 57 years after the first theatrical release. Until then it was only ever seen in theatres. Now if a movie was to come out only in theatres today, and then do that for another 57 years before being released on home video (where you will have the opportunity to watch the film in theatres) - would you call ripping that and sharing it "preservation" or "piracy"? It may count as preservation if they change the film, but if they don't then you've still got the film to enjoy, in the environment it was designed to be enjoyed in.
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If you are so concerned about this forum being involved in piracy, why bother to come here?
This site is doing nothing wrong what so ever. There is a site you may be aware of called vcdquality.com. This website lists details of pirate movies, invites members to comment on the quality etc. Attempts have been made to shut the site down, but it is still going strong. Why? Because it is not hosting any illegal files, just information about what is available, just as this site is.
There are plenty of websites in violation of copyright laws unlike this one is, so go pester them instead.
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Originally posted by: DarkFox
But isn't this the case all the time with torrents? I wouldn't consider it the same as leaving the cinema and being copied immediately, NeilB, I consider it the same as sharing a torrent of the retail disc. What bothers me so much is that you really give preservation a bad name by copying anything you can at all under that title.
I don't recall ever referring to the Blade Runner downconversion as preservation, nor is it considered a fan edit. I'd never defend our actions revolving around Blade Runner as "preservation". I think we've all fully acknowledged that it's meant to be a replacement for the horrendous retail DVD until Warner gets around to releasing a new transfer, at which point I bet almost everyone here (and hope absolutely everyone here) will purchase a copy.
I don't live in Australia, and neither do most of the other members here. Mostly because our ancestors weren't criminals deported to an island prison.
Again, Blade Runner isn't about preservation. Here's what it's about: some guys on a Star Wars forum who love Blade Runner, own the retail DVD, and are disatisfied with its quality. So one of them took an HD broadcast that's been floating around the web for who knows how long and created a kickass DVD out of it. Hopefully, these guys will buy the retail release when it comes. I know I will. I'll certainly be the first in line for the HD-DVD or BluRay release.
When I read that description of what it's about, I see gray. I see some behavior that, while illegal, is not performed with malice. I see a bunch of fans who love a film and want to own the best possible version of it. I alse see a bunch of future buyers of the 25th anniversary edition (or whatever anniversary it is by the time it gets released).
Originally posted by: DarkFox
Because something has not been released on DVD or home video is not a ticket to copy, share and distribute it. Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was not released on home video until 57 years after the first theatrical release. Until then it was only ever seen in theatres. Now if a movie was to come out only in theatres today, and then do that for another 57 years before being released on home video (where you will have the opportunity to watch the film in theatres) - would you call ripping that and sharing it "preservation" or "piracy"? It may count as preservation if they change the film, but if they don't then you've still got the film to enjoy, in the environment it was designed to be enjoyed in.
But isn't this the case all the time with torrents? I wouldn't consider it the same as leaving the cinema and being copied immediately, NeilB, I consider it the same as sharing a torrent of the retail disc. What bothers me so much is that you really give preservation a bad name by copying anything you can at all under that title.
I don't recall ever referring to the Blade Runner downconversion as preservation, nor is it considered a fan edit. I'd never defend our actions revolving around Blade Runner as "preservation". I think we've all fully acknowledged that it's meant to be a replacement for the horrendous retail DVD until Warner gets around to releasing a new transfer, at which point I bet almost everyone here (and hope absolutely everyone here) will purchase a copy.
Originally posted by: DarkFox
Here's an interesting thing, NeilB and Jay - and this kind of explains why Jay and the others hold their view that sharing TV rips is different from sharing DVD rips. Us humans have a rather dull habit of always assuming we are right. What we'll do is decide on something - that is form a conclusion. That conclusion might be that "copying something off TV that's available on DVD isn't piracy because TV is a public broadcast". What that person would then do is look for evidence to support his conclusion, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This is a biased view, yes, but by habit we will all do it unless we are aware of it and choose to look at both sides carefully before reaching a solid conclusion.
What an arrogant ass! How nice it must be to wander through life with a purely black and white view of the universe. If you can't re-read that paragraph and understand why this entire forum sees you as a know-it-all prick and dismisses your posts as soapbox pronouncements, you're hopeless.
Originally posted by: DarkFox
I loosely work with the TV industry, and if someone abuses TV broadcasts it's not that different to abusing retail DVD's - except that there is no encryption put in place to prevent people from doing so. It would be really similar if DVD's didn't have encryption in the first place. If you copy something off TV, that's fine - no one has ever been successfully sued over that in Australia... you don't have a legal right to do so without first obtaining written permission, although so many people believe they do, and if you do record without that permission you are breaking copyright law - but as most recording (95%+) is done to "watch later" rather then to "keep", it's no bother. But what is a bother is when that copy you made is shared with others. Because that is taking works you don't own and sharing them with people who don't own them either. One of the ways TV has to try and compete with DVD is to offer people things they can't get on DVD - at least not yet. Copying and sharing this is not preservation, it's piracy. Aussies have the largest rate of TV piracy in the world, not something we should be proud of.
Here's an interesting thing, NeilB and Jay - and this kind of explains why Jay and the others hold their view that sharing TV rips is different from sharing DVD rips. Us humans have a rather dull habit of always assuming we are right. What we'll do is decide on something - that is form a conclusion. That conclusion might be that "copying something off TV that's available on DVD isn't piracy because TV is a public broadcast". What that person would then do is look for evidence to support his conclusion, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This is a biased view, yes, but by habit we will all do it unless we are aware of it and choose to look at both sides carefully before reaching a solid conclusion.
What an arrogant ass! How nice it must be to wander through life with a purely black and white view of the universe. If you can't re-read that paragraph and understand why this entire forum sees you as a know-it-all prick and dismisses your posts as soapbox pronouncements, you're hopeless.
Originally posted by: DarkFox
I loosely work with the TV industry, and if someone abuses TV broadcasts it's not that different to abusing retail DVD's - except that there is no encryption put in place to prevent people from doing so. It would be really similar if DVD's didn't have encryption in the first place. If you copy something off TV, that's fine - no one has ever been successfully sued over that in Australia... you don't have a legal right to do so without first obtaining written permission, although so many people believe they do, and if you do record without that permission you are breaking copyright law - but as most recording (95%+) is done to "watch later" rather then to "keep", it's no bother. But what is a bother is when that copy you made is shared with others. Because that is taking works you don't own and sharing them with people who don't own them either. One of the ways TV has to try and compete with DVD is to offer people things they can't get on DVD - at least not yet. Copying and sharing this is not preservation, it's piracy. Aussies have the largest rate of TV piracy in the world, not something we should be proud of.
I don't live in Australia, and neither do most of the other members here. Mostly because our ancestors weren't criminals deported to an island prison.
Again, Blade Runner isn't about preservation. Here's what it's about: some guys on a Star Wars forum who love Blade Runner, own the retail DVD, and are disatisfied with its quality. So one of them took an HD broadcast that's been floating around the web for who knows how long and created a kickass DVD out of it. Hopefully, these guys will buy the retail release when it comes. I know I will. I'll certainly be the first in line for the HD-DVD or BluRay release.
When I read that description of what it's about, I see gray. I see some behavior that, while illegal, is not performed with malice. I see a bunch of fans who love a film and want to own the best possible version of it. I alse see a bunch of future buyers of the 25th anniversary edition (or whatever anniversary it is by the time it gets released).
Originally posted by: DarkFox
Because something has not been released on DVD or home video is not a ticket to copy, share and distribute it. Disney's Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs was not released on home video until 57 years after the first theatrical release. Until then it was only ever seen in theatres. Now if a movie was to come out only in theatres today, and then do that for another 57 years before being released on home video (where you will have the opportunity to watch the film in theatres) - would you call ripping that and sharing it "preservation" or "piracy"? It may count as preservation if they change the film, but if they don't then you've still got the film to enjoy, in the environment it was designed to be enjoyed in.
Absurd hyperbole. Disney is known for holding out, so they're the perfect studio to prove your point. Name one other studio that has a release schedule like this. It was also a very different landscape in Disney's time (which was pretty much over until they bought Pixar, btw). Also, name the studio who would release a film to theaters for 57 years without providing a retail release in this day and age. You could at least set up a hypothetical situation that had a chance of actually happening.
What if Jenna Jameson magically materialized in my living room naked with three other naked female porn stars? Would I feed them peanut butter and jelly and discuss CGI in the SEs or would I destroy my marriage? What a conundrum!
Ridiculous hypotheticals are dumb.
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Originally posted by: BrikHaus81
Maybe it is just time to kill this thread.
Maybe it is just time to kill this thread.
I HEARTILY AGREE.
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And I don\'t recall saying that you did, or I would have used your name.
\"What an arrogant ass! How nice it must be to wander through life with a purely black and white view of the universe. If you can\'t re-read that paragraph and understand why this entire forum sees you as a know-it-all prick and dismisses your posts as soapbox pronouncements, you\'re hopeless.\"
When did I claim I \"know it all?\"
\"I don\'t live in Australia, and neither do most of the other members here. Mostly because our ancestors weren\'t criminals deported to an island prison.\"
No, but most of what I said can be taken universally. None of my ancestors were criminals deported to Australia either. They came here peacefully of their own free will.
\"Again, Blade Runner isn\'t about preservation. Here\'s what it\'s about: some guys on a Star Wars forum who love Blade Runner, own the retail DVD, and are disatisfied with its quality. So one of them took an HD broadcast that\'s been floating around the web for who knows how long and created a kickass DVD out of it. Hopefully, these guys will buy the retail release when it comes. I know I will. I\'ll certainly be the first in line for the HD-DVD or BluRay release.\"
Now if one of the members here adds it to a torrent site, don\'t you think that *other* people from this site and not from it will want to download it? People who don\'t necessarily own the DVD?
\"I alse see a bunch of future buyers of the 25th anniversary edition (or whatever anniversary it is by the time it gets released).\"
I\'m prepared to wait it out for the next release. You see it\'s not that they don\'t want us to have it, Blade Runner has been tied up in legal issues since the stone age of DVD.
\"Absurd hyperbole. Disney is known for holding out, so they\'re the perfect studio to prove your point.\"
Disney is also known for selling-out.
\"Also, name the studio who would release a film to theaters for 57 years without providing a retail release in this day and age. You could at least set up a hypothetical situation that had a chance of actually happening.\"
Then don\'t look at it now, look at the past. How would you have felt about copies of Snow White being shared, assuming it was a film you love, and assuming that you\'ve had ever opportunity to see it in theatres each time Disney released it?
And really Jay there\'s no need for name-calling.
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I would say if you like Blade Runner and don\'t have the DVD then you would be more likely to watch it in HD on TV when it\'s broadcast, then if you didn\'t have the DVD.
My question is:
Are you more or less likely to watch Blade Runner HD on TV if it is broadcast if you have a copy of Blade Runner HD copied off TV?