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did lucas destroy star wars?
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Smegged up, yes!
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
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Jar-Jar didn't help.
LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?
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One thing though, on revitalization...I think some fans somewhere could revitalize it, but it rests in their minds. Maybe it will find a way out. Maybe someone's already puting something into action. It may not even be Star Wars, but influenced by the spirit of Star Wars.
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But - Star Wars was made because George Lucas couldn't get the rights to do a Flash Gordon movie. Those who makes films and can't get the rights to do a 3rd trilogy, will probably just come up with something better anyway. It sounds ridiculous, but it's happened before.
LUKE: Dad, where are your eyebrows?
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Creature Features used to show episodes of the Flash Gordon serials before their featured film of the night. It had a host named Bob Wilkins who would also show movie clips of upcoming movies. One of those clips was Star Wars.
Despite my problems with Jedi, the OT were tight yet epic films. You could actually tell the OT saga orally like the Bards of old or around a campfire.
You can't really do that with he PT.
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Think about it they will watch I-III, and then get to Episode IV and have this culture shock at things in the movie:
-They will wonder where is The Emperor and Yoda?
-They will wonder why are these effects so inferior
-They will wonder why the duel between ObiWan & Vader is so slow and lame
-They will be looking for the internal struggle of Vader as this tortured man, and it wasn't even invented til ESB.
-They will wonder why Uncle Owen hates Kenobi & Anakin, when nothing is stated in AOTC or ROTS.
-They will wonder where the Imperial March music is?
-They will probably think it is slow, and not a computer game action fast like the previous movies.
-They probably won't fall in love with Luke, Leia, and Han like we did, cause they will focus on Vader since the story is about him.
It is a shame because I have noticed on other web pages, that newcomers watching it 1-6 put the original SW as their least favorite, cause they are so ingrained to watch the saga now 1-6, and to be the story about Anakin, the original from 1977 wasn't written like this, and they are watching the movie in a totally different context then we did, as we watched it as just the first SW movie. I really feel bad, because no one should think the original SW is an average movie, growing up everyone I knew loved it, and we debated ESB & ROTJ.
The original SW not being loved by the younger or newer SW fans is a direct result of the PT, cause it went from being the first SW movie seen by us, to being thrown into #4 spot, and now it sticks out like a sore thumb. I put the blame on Lucas, cause he says the saga must be watched 1-6 now, and in the process has scewed up the one great SW movie he directed. Thank god I saw it when I did, cause it is still my favorite movie of all-time, now it just another episode in the SW saga, that is sad.
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Oh, what an unusual thread....
C'mon guys, aren't you tired of that? Bitching again and again, everyday, that you hate Lucas and the new SW stuff....
I can assure you: WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD!!!
Next topic, please....
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I'm not sure I've ever understood this sticking point.
When did he say he hated them? I always saw it more as a kind of concern, a crotchety, stay-at-home kind of 'well, your mother died and your dad roasted, you shouldn't get up to that Jedi tomfoolery like Obi-Wan or you'll pay for it'.
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Originally posted by: Zebonka
"They will wonder why Uncle Owen hates Kenobi & Anakin, when nothing is stated in AOTC or ROTS."
I'm not sure I've ever understood this sticking point.
When did he say he hated them? I always saw it more as a kind of concern, a crotchety, stay-at-home kind of 'well, your mother died and your dad roasted, you shouldn't get up to that Jedi tomfoolery like Obi-Wan or you'll pay for it'.
"They will wonder why Uncle Owen hates Kenobi & Anakin, when nothing is stated in AOTC or ROTS."
I'm not sure I've ever understood this sticking point.
When did he say he hated them? I always saw it more as a kind of concern, a crotchety, stay-at-home kind of 'well, your mother died and your dad roasted, you shouldn't get up to that Jedi tomfoolery like Obi-Wan or you'll pay for it'.
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It is not a major point that will stick out as much as the others, but I always felt Lucas missed a huge opportunity in the PT of really having Uncle Owen play a bigger role in the relationship with him and Kenobi/Anakin.
Again, you and I have to assume why Owen hates him, or is concerned about him, etc. Why the heck should you and I debate how Owen feels so strongly in ANH about them when Lucas had three movies to show it? That is such a failure of the PT, aside from Jar Jar and all the other things we bitch about, here is a key character in the original SW who raises the hero of the next trilogy, and has some angst against ObiWan and Anakin, or does he know it is Vader?
And we get a couple of stinkin lines, "I guess I am your stepbrother. I am Owen, and this my girlfriend Beru." That was Lucas connecting the dots cause he had to have that final scene with baby Luke, nothing more nothing less. That would have enriched the original SW so much more to see Owen develop a relationship with Anakin and ObiWan for the PT, but now people will have to watch the Episode IV, and try to figure out why the angst he feels the same way we did in 1977, except they have a backstory that didn't explain it.
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-They will wonder why Uncle Owen hates Kenobi & Anakin, when nothing is stated in AOTC or ROTS.
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-They will wonder why Uncle Owen hates Kenobi & Anakin, when nothing is stated in AOTC or ROTS.
I wish GL would have made Obi wan and Owen brother so then Owen could be jelous that Obi is a Jedi and not him. It would have made more sense abou there rift.
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The Star Wars machine will never stop and will be one big continous cash cow that they continue to milk through tv series cartoons video games and endless merchandising....
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In short, most of the Star Wars material being produced now or in the near future is substantially untouched by the Prequel Trilogy, and thus, by Lucas's direct, creative involvement. Lucas did not destroy Star Wars; most of Star Wars is ignoring him by this point. That's what happens when you spin your personal, artistic vision into a multibillion dollar industry and let other people effectively take over for fifteen years.
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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* The variety of authors -- and forms -- also means that Star Wars did not, and will not soon, grow stagnant. There is enough variety in the universe that almost anyone can find a niche that they enjoy, and that same variety means that Star Wars will be able to resist catastrophes and evolve, just like a population in the natural world.
Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived.
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and that's maybe what's george is doing, i mean we all know he's such a control freak, and that's what is the final stage of control... destruction.
Maybe he's so into the control of his work that he don't see or don't want to see all the bad he is doing.
what do you think?
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