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who misses the prequels? — Page 2
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You've got to be sh*tting me. So you are telling me that "Romeo and Juliet" has gone through numerous changes, and that "Homer's Oddessy" is constantly changing to match the author's original vision (because lord knows, a classic can't stand the test of time). I guess "Beowulf" hasn't been the same since "Beowulf: The Special Edition" that came out in 1256 in midevil theaters everywhere.
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First, I would never compare Shakespeare or Homer to Lucas.
Second, these stories were more than likely not written over the course of 20+ years.
Third, how do you know that a group of people (like some on this site) from those days didn't shit all over Romeo and Juliet or The Oddessy or Beowulf and say that those stories weren't the way THEY liked them to be. That they didn't hold true to what they believed was the authors original vision.
Fourth, for all we know these stories were ten times better in the original drafts but the authors changed the endings to be more commercially pleasing.
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There is no lingerie in space…
C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.
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the OOT of course
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
There are moments in the prequels that I like, and it's enough to entertain me and please me enough to watch the whole movies through, groaning aside. It's just that things the way they are put together don't make sense, and I don't like thinking that that's the way I'm supposed to accept it now. I wouldn't be surprised if every re-release from now on was a 6-disc set. OOT or not, it'll be nearly impossible to keep from acknowledging them.
There are moments in the prequels that I like, and it's enough to entertain me and please me enough to watch the whole movies through, groaning aside. It's just that things the way they are put together don't make sense, and I don't like thinking that that's the way I'm supposed to accept it now. I wouldn't be surprised if every re-release from now on was a 6-disc set. OOT or not, it'll be nearly impossible to keep from acknowledging them.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's how it'll be.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Well, that's the problem. All original fans had 16 years to come up with their own ideas for what had to happen. And when it didn't, well...
Originally posted by: sybeman
They were fun movies, but they didn't work. I'm going to sound selfish, but they weren't how I envisioned it...or anywhere near what I envisioned, for that matter.
They were fun movies, but they didn't work. I'm going to sound selfish, but they weren't how I envisioned it...or anywhere near what I envisioned, for that matter.
Well, that's the problem. All original fans had 16 years to come up with their own ideas for what had to happen. And when it didn't, well...
I dont agree, certainly not for me, I didnt envision anything and was happy to let Lucas tell the story his way. but didnt think there would be such problems that IMO have occured such as continuty etc
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
it was a nice distraction from life at that time. Which, I think, is what a movie should be.
it was a nice distraction from life at that time. Which, I think, is what a movie should be.
Not really IMO. I think it's not the goal of movies, just entertainment's...
But I see what you mean, and I'm glad if it has been able to "help" you a little in a dark time of your life
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Well, that's the problem. All original fans had 16 years to come up with their own ideas for what had to happen. And when it didn't, well...
Well, that's the problem. All original fans had 16 years to come up with their own ideas for what had to happen. And when it didn't, well...
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That is where i disagree, and I am a fan who has been there since '77. I never had any story of the PT in my mind for years after ROTJ, it was always episodes 7,8,9 that I had in my mind. Since ROTJ, every summer I would hope to hear news about The Sequel Trilogy, and the further adventures of Luke, Han, and Leia. I envisoned Luke as the Yoda of that trilogy rebuilding the jedi-council, Han & Leia getting married, and both Lukes kids and Leia/Hans kids being the stars of that trilogy, and possibly one of them turning to the darkside.
For the PT, the only thing I thought about was the duel on the Volcano between Anakin & Kenobi, and that is it. Going into TPM, I had no idea where Lucas was going to take us with 1,2,3 and I was really open to what was going to happen. Then after TPM, and then AOTC, and then finally ROTS, I started seeing all the things that Lucas missed, and then I started to get frustrated:
-Obiwan/Anakin/Uncle Owen relationship, where is it? Why does Owen hate Kenobi?
-The force ghost issue, anything specific?
-The birth of the rebellion, deleted scenes?
-This cleverly laid out plan to hide the twins is done in a two minute montage?
-The clone wars, watch the cartoons?
-The fate of Padme, why doesn't Luke remember her?
-The first prequel, Anakin & Obiwan are secondary characters?
-The stupid tie-ins to the OT, Jango Fett, Anakin building C-3PO, Death Star built in 20 years, Owen doesn't remember C-3po, a droid he owned for 10 years?
As I said, I started evaluating the PT after I realized Lucas missed out on so many great plot points, and instead of developing the ObiWan/Anakin/Uncle Owen relationship which would have really tied in to the conversation in ANH, we get nothing in detail, just Lucas putting it in cause he has to find a way for Uncle Owen to meet Anakin. That is the biggest failure of the PT, is great plot points like this and the birth of the rebellion, really good subjects that would have enriched the OT were pushed aside for a Jango Fett/Boba Fett father-son side plot, and other bad tie-ins that were just thrown in there as a time filler.
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Originally posted by: CO
-The force ghost issue, anything specific?
-The force ghost issue, anything specific?
It seems that you haven't understood what Yoda says to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS. Re-watch it and you will.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
So do you guys consider the Clone Wars series the true prequels then?
So do you guys consider the Clone Wars series the true prequels then?
No I dont like the Clone Wars, and the Prequels to me are the Prequels, and can watch them as entertainment, but Lucas couldnt tie the two sets of films together for me, as i said it maybe its me nitpicking and fussy or whatever but i have problems with the continuty inconsisties and parts of the story dont work for me as i dont find a few parts logical and in cases believable so I find it hard seeing as a cohesive six part story but instead two different trilogies
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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
It seems that you haven't understood what Yoda says to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS. Re-watch it and you will.
Originally posted by: CO
-The force ghost issue, anything specific?
-The force ghost issue, anything specific?
It seems that you haven't understood what Yoda says to Obi-Wan at the end of ROTS. Re-watch it and you will.
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He says one line about QuiGon teaching him it, but nothing more than that. That is the whole failure of the PT, is this could have been such a great plot point that could have gone into great detail, and we get one line of Yoda talking to ObiWan, just to connect the dots to make Episode III go into IV.
Now many will say, why does everything need to be explained? I counter, because that is what the PT is for! You have three movies to answer many of the questions that were just touched upon in Episode IV, V, VI. You shouldn't have a million new questions walking out of Episode III that make things contradict with the OT.
If that is answer of the force ghost is enough for, that cool with me. But I think Lucas ran out of time, and that is why the birth of the rebellion are in the deleted scenes, cause he wasted TPM on Jar Jar and many useless issues which don't effect the trilogy, and was rushed to really start the trilogy in AOTC, and everything was crammed in two movies instead of three.
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<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>
<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>
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But yes, there were too many plot details in the last part of ROTS, too many infos at the same time. IMO, it would have been better if Anakin would have fall to the dark side at the very end of Episode II (without the AOTC story, I mean). And Episode III could have been better, made with all the elements of the very end of ROTS, with a real slower rythme, and describing the very ascension of Darth Vader. Just my opinion...
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Originally posted by: Kaal-Jhyy
IMO, we don't have to know EVERY details. I think that the force ghosts "explanation" is good enough, I don't need to see Qui-Gon's ghost (or just his "contact" with Yoda).
IMO, we don't have to know EVERY details. I think that the force ghosts "explanation" is good enough, I don't need to see Qui-Gon's ghost (or just his "contact" with Yoda).
That is my opinion as well. I can just imagine it now if Lucas would have included Qui-Gon. You would no doubt have a load of guys whining "Does Lucas have to explain EVERYTHING?!? That Qui-Gon scene slows the film down! This proves that Lucas has lost his touch!"
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Now, imagine if Lucas had included the scene with Qui-Gon. To the viewer, Yoda's revelation to Obi-Wan would have seemed somewhat repetitive, and wouldn't have as much of a "WTF was that? Cool. Wow!" reaction, since the viewer would already know everything by seeing Qui-Gon telling all of this to Yoda.
I think it's cool that it gives us something to think about. And.. if we want a specific answer, we can choose to read the novel.
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A. Not paying attention
B. Not using their brain
C. All of the above
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Maybe he just expects people to figure it out on their own, based on what little he included. Sometimes, less is more.
Maybe he just expects people to figure it out on their own, based on what little he included. Sometimes, less is more.
Less is more.....Hmmm, if that was what GL was thinking, he didn't follow his advice very well. I think a lot of the mystery of SW was ruined because that mantra was not followed. CIP, midichlorians.
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