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Thinking of Fantasy Movies that came out during the OT

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I was watching the original Superman the other day on HBO, a movie I loved as a kid, and started thinking how much I really loved alot of those fantasy movies that came out during the OT days.

Star Wars Trilogy

Superman I & II

Back to the Future

The Terminator

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Jaws


If you remember all those movies were made for teenagers, or the SW OT market at the time. But the reason those movies hold up so well even 20-25 years later, is they did exactly what the PT didn't do. They didn't try to kiddie them up, just to go after a certain market. Even though they are all fantasy type movies in a way, and really aren't made for grownups, they were in a sense grownup movies made for kids. Seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark at 9 years old I loved it, but it wasn't made for my age group, nor was the SW or ESB, they made the movies, and if the little kiddies like myself at the time liked them, thats great, but they weren't going to put any humor in there to appease us.

The PT put Jar Jar, and C-3PO on Geonosis in there just to appease a certain audience, and yes the little kiddies love Jar Jar when their 7 years old. But 20 years from now when they pop in TPM, they are going to shake their head cause it is so juvenile. 20 years later I pop in Superman, Raiders, Back to the Future, and they still hold up as classic movies, that is where Lucas miscalculated long term for short term cash in his pocket.
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True. But myself, I think Jar Jar and threeepio are needed for fun comic relief. since the story gets much more serious and depressing later on, I think it's best to have some fun wqtih these characters. I think that's what Lucas had in mind as well. I highly doubt that the's the money hungry guy somw paint him as. He's just out to tell his story thre way he wants it told. Jar Jar just sounds like something he thought was a cool idea for comic relief and he went with it. I don't see why he gets so much hatred just for that. And I mean, come on, didn't Lucas meet you half way when he reduced Jar Jar's role significantly, and made Jar Jar the idiot to help Palpatine be Chancellor?

It's the same thing with the Ewoks in ROTJ. Lucas used ewoks because he thought it would be good for the story. He needed a primitive race. He knew he couldn't use wookiees, so what was he to do? If he made a species similar to wookiees, everyone would say it was a copy of his idea of wookiees. So... to paraphrase Lucas "he chopped the wookiees in half, and they became ewoks." I don't think it was for marketing purposes. Yeah, I know kids loved them, but I just can't see Lucas sacrificing his "vision" for cash.
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why not he still got the story told didnt he? it doesnt hurt when youre independent of the studios to try make profit off as much stuff as you can
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi[/

It's the same thing with the Ewoks in ROTJ. Lucas used ewoks because he thought it would be good for the story. He needed a primitive race. He knew he couldn't use wookiees, so what was he to do? If he made a species similar to wookiees, everyone would say it was a copy of his idea of wookiees. So... to paraphrase Lucas "he chopped the wookiees in half, and they became ewoks." I don't think it was for marketing purposes. Yeah, I know kids loved them, but I just can't see Lucas sacrificing his "vision" for cash.


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But Adam you proved my point, because the kiddiness of the ewoks hurts the seriousness of ROTJ. The great thing about ANH & ESB is the characters were funny, but they were not made just for comic relief. They were funny in the situation bickering at each other, and it doesn't come out as forced or just for a laugh. The PT Jar Jar was made just for comic relief and it just sticks out of the scenes.

Look at Back to the Future, I love that movie, probably right behind SW in my book, but it is a damn funny movie, but they didn't have any characters in there just to get laughs. Zemeckis used Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd, who had great chemistry, and made it funny that Marty McFly's mom had the hots for him. There was nothing forced where you knew the director said, "OK this character is just for humor, that is his job."

That is what Jar Jar was for, and it failed. But there was a bigger issue that TPM really went too kiddy than it needed to, and I am telling you alot of fans who are younger than us who loved it, in 10-15 years are going to cringe at the humor. Trust me, I LOVED ROTJ at 10 years old, 20 years later, I still like it, mostly for Luke, Leia, and Han, but I realize this movie is alot more kiddie than ANH & ESB, and that is one of the reasons it doesn't hold up well. It isn't about just a dark movie, cause ANH is a great movie that isn't dark, its just about not catering to a younger audience that makes the movie juvenile at times, and that is my big beef with TPM.
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I seem to recall an interview with Robert Zemeckis around the time that Polar Express came out, where he said that he didn't do movies aimed at kids, per se. He said that those kinds of movies talk down to the children, and they can figure that out. He said that the best movies for children are the ones that don't do things like that. The kinds of movies that anyone can enjoy.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi[/

It's the same thing with the Ewoks in ROTJ. Lucas used ewoks because he thought it would be good for the story. He needed a primitive race. He knew he couldn't use wookiees, so what was he to do? If he made a species similar to wookiees, everyone would say it was a copy of his idea of wookiees. So... to paraphrase Lucas "he chopped the wookiees in half, and they became ewoks." I don't think it was for marketing purposes. Yeah, I know kids loved them, but I just can't see Lucas sacrificing his "vision" for cash.


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But Adam you proved my point, because the kiddiness of the ewoks hurts the seriousness of ROTJ. The great thing about ANH & ESB is the characters were funny, but they were not made just for comic relief. They were funny in the situation bickering at each other, and it doesn't come out as forced or just for a laugh. The PT Jar Jar was made just for comic relief and it just sticks out of the scenes.

Look at Back to the Future, I love that movie, probably right behind SW in my book, but it is a damn funny movie, but they didn't have any characters in there just to get laughs. Zemeckis used Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd, who had great chemistry, and made it funny that Marty McFly's mom had the hots for him. There was nothing forced where you knew the director said, "OK this character is just for humor, that is his job."

That is what Jar Jar was for, and it failed. But there was a bigger issue that TPM really went too kiddy than it needed to, and I am telling you alot of fans who are younger than us who loved it, in 10-15 years are going to cringe at the humor. Trust me, I LOVED ROTJ at 10 years old, 20 years later, I still like it, mostly for Luke, Leia, and Han, but I realize this movie is alot more kiddie than ANH & ESB, and that is one of the reasons it doesn't hold up well. It isn't about just a dark movie, cause ANH is a great movie that isn't dark, its just about not catering to a younger audience that makes the movie juvenile at times, and that is my big beef with TPM.


Too true, all too true.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Hell, look at movies that are aimed specifically for kids and yet do so well to this day and are loved by all.

The Lion King
Aladdin
Toy Story 1 & 2
Finding Nemo

Why? Because you don't have fart jokes and people stepping in poo and shouting out of character "Die Jedi, die!" They give credit for the audiance's capacity for understanding and comprehension. It's for kids, but it's not dumbed down.
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Did we mention Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan coming out during this period?

I'd throw Blade Runner and Conan the Barbarian into the mix but those really were for the adults only crowd.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Did we mention Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan coming out during this period?

I'd throw Blade Runner and Conan the Barbarian into the mix but those really were for the adults only crowd.


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Good ones, I forgot about Star Trek II, III, IV, and Alien & Aliens.

Then compare the late 90's summer blockbusters: Independence Day, Twister, Armageddon, all ridiculous movies.
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Did we mention Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan coming out during this period?

I'd throw Blade Runner and Conan the Barbarian into the mix but those really were for the adults only crowd.


that was a golden age for "sci fi/fantasy" movies; everyone was trying to make a SW-like movie or at least a SW-like success.

i remember movies like Dune (funny how the mechandising for this one was aimed at kids...) Outland (ok that one is more influenced by Alien), Krull, Tron, etc...

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Originally posted by: grifter

that was a golden age for "sci fi/fantasy" movies; everyone was trying to make a SW-like movie or at least a SW-like success.

i remember movies like Dune (funny how the mechandising for this one was aimed at kids...) Outland (ok that one is more influenced by Alien), Krull, Tron, etc...


And Roger Corman's 'Battle Beyond the Stars'!!!! Pure lovable crap!!! A starship with BOOBS!!! Whoo-hoo!!

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what about :

Legend

the krull

Highlander

Dune

The Hobbit (animated)

return of the King (animated)

Lord of the rings bakshi (animated)

Labyrinthe

The dark crystal

the neverending story

return to oZ

Mad Max

Willow

dragon slayer

Ghost Busters







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And of course, we can't forget:

Caravan of Courage

The Battle for Endor
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
And of course, we can't forget:

Caravan of Courage

The Battle for Endor


Those are on DVD now. I actually keep meaning to buy them, if only for nostalgia's sake, but I keep forgetting.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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I love those two movies, got em' on DVD last year when they came out.
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Not sure if Jaws should be included as that came out in '75.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Fantasy movies from that era? How about Debbie Does Dallas?


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Did anyone see the Hercules movies that starred Lou Ferrigno of Incredible Hulk fame?
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Did anyone see the Hercules movies that starred Lou Ferrigno of Incredible Hulk fame?
hell yeah!

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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
Did anyone see the Hercules movies that starred Lou Ferrigno of Incredible Hulk fame?
hell yeah!


Just making sure I wasn't the only one.

I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an Obi-Wan to go.

Red heads ROCK. Blondes do not rock. Nuff said.

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