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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Actually, most fans don't feel that way, from what I've read. ANH isn't even supposed to be about "Anakin's struggle." No, Anakin is dead. It's supposed to be about Vader's position in the empire and is supposed to show him being controlled by higher up members of the empire. He is supposed to be portrayed as heartless and tyranical. And it does a pretty good job of showing that, IMHO. I mean, someone would have to be pretty dumb to think that ANH shows, or is even supposed to show, his "struggles." The idea introduced in ROTS is that the Emperor had created a monster who was no longer the good man Anakin Skywalker was. There was no "struggle" in the ways that he had as Anakin. And no, ROTS does not diminish the greatness of ANH.


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I agree not all fans are like that, but many new fans watching it in order 1-6 have said that ANH isn't as great as the other movies. They go from Episode III to IV and say: The lightsaber duel between Vader/Kenobi is slow compared to the PT. I wanted to see more Yoda & Emperor, they were the stars of the PT. The effects are very outdated, even the SE, it just seems old in alot of places. The music is different than most episodes, where is the imperial march? It moves very slow in some places compared to the PT.

Now, as I said, not every new fan is like this, but you have to understand everyone of us here watched ANH first, so there were no comparisons, no where is the imperial march, no the lightsaber duel is lame, we watched it in a sense as a standalone movie like it was meant to be, and sure everyone here didn't see it in 1977, but even though they knew there were two more movies after it, they still watched in the context as the first movie. Now newer fans, or fans seeing it the first time, are watching it as #4, and it is the only one of the six that don't fit in when watching it in the middle. But Lucas says to new fans that are meant to be watched 1-6, so they will, they don't know the history of SW.

There is a whole section on TFN.com, which is mostly PT fans, so you can get the view of the newer fan, and it has one forum of 'Watching SW in sequence' and almost ever fan who has written in showing the saga 1-6 to a new SW fan, has said that ANH to them was alright, and felt ESB & ROTJ were alot better because they showed more of the struggle between Luke & Vader, where ANH doesn't have that in it, cause it wasn't made that way.

Let me put it this way, if you are watching the saga now a newcomer, and you hear the story is about Anakin Skywalker, a 6 part story about his rise, fall, and redemption, and you watch the PT, where he is front and center the central figure of each movie, then you get to Episode IV, and he is just a really cool bad guy, who is a more of a secondary character, you won't watch the movie in the right context. That is why they are enjoying ESB & ROTJ more, because the story of Anakin was finally cemented by Lucas as decided to take the saga in that direction. ANH is going from a classic to us, even you Adam cause you saw it as #1, to a so-so SW movie by new fans, and that is a shame, cause they should see it in the context that we did.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
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No, I think he just knows his lines.

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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

It was new. Vietnam was over. It was a breath of fresh air.

Nothing quite as amusing as a 15 year old kid telling us about the social consciousness of the 1970s.

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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father

... I get the distinct impression you don't even really care either way and are just saying wahtever to bait people. Maybe it makes you feel imprtant or something, and I know by posting this I am just feeding your need for attention...

It's the only reason he's here. Baiting and contradicting people is his way of controlling them. Your anger is exactly what he's hoping for.
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Originally posted by: CO
"This is vintage Lucas, aww shucks, every fan loves these movies, just the critics hate them, and that is why we don't win awards. The last time I checked the original SW was nominated for 10 Academy Awards, and was nominated in the big categories: Best Picture, Best Director, and Alec Guiness for Best Supporting Actor, thats right an actor was nominated for his performance in a SW movie, because they usually say the OT performances were just as bad as the PT ones. Star Wars took home 7 awards that night, while being the #1 movie at the box office in 1977.

Message to George: Yeah, there are always critics who don't love every movie, that is natural, but you made that classic one in 1977, which was loved by critics, fans, and the studios, and do you know why? It's a great movie!

And when you said you do it for the fans at the end of your speech, the only ones you keep forgetting are the millions of fans from 1977-83 who can't see those original films anymore on DVD. Sometimes I believe Lucas has selective memory...."


(Even louder applause)

""You bring it out too early, and it's Buck Rogers. You bring it out too late, it flops. But if you bring it out right when the war in vietnam was ending, it's a hit."

I don't really buy into that. I was born in '76, saw Star Wars on VHS around '89, fell in love with the film. I watch Star Wars now and I see no cheese, I watch Buck Rogers T.V. series and it has pure cheese. A film is what a film is, good or bad, and this was a great film. Personally, I loved the grit of Star Wars when I first saw it, it looked lived in, it looked real. It wasn't hokie like sci-fi before it and after.

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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi

It was new. Vietnam was over. It was a breath of fresh air.

Nothing quite as amusing as a 15 year old kid telling us about the social consciousness of the 1970s.


I'm sorry that you find that amusing.
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"Casablanca," "Gone With the Wind," "Lawrence of Arabia," "Titanic," a whole plethora of outstanding acadamy award winning movies."

Yeah, but only Lawrence of Arabia is any good.

I personally don't get the Vietnam references myself. Are we going to start saying "The Wedding Crashers" came at the right time because there's fighting in Iraq? Please. It's just a pussy way of denouncing the whole crappy war-in-Vietnam anyway; if you're going to speak out against war, just DO IT. None of this 'gah, the movie came at the right time...' and then leaving people to fill in the blanks (or just go 'duh').

I really don't get the guy.
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Umm, didn't the Vietnam war end in 1975 with the fall of Saigon? Star Wars came at a time when the war had been over for 2 years. I hardly call that a "Vietnam reference."
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