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I saw information here regarding the re-worked Star Trek 5 film to a 63 min Phase 2 episode. I have been unable to view it yet. But I had an idea. Since ST the Motion Picture was a reworking of a proposed episode for the never produced Phase 2 series that would be cool to see that film reworked to an hour long episode with original series music and effects. What do the rest of you think?

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I think I would like that a lot better than the ST5 edit (because 5 is a personal favorite of mine). It would ring a lot truer to the original idea and I think TMP could definitely be cut down to about an hour, or maybe 90mins to be a two-parter.

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I wonder if anyone would be up to this challenge?
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I for one have far too much on my plate at this time to do any work on STTMP (I was working on a huge extra long version), but I did have a few ideas on how to make that film a bit better. One of them is that the Film should open on Vulcan with Spock and then cut to the Klingon battle with V-jer, then to Kirk on Earth.

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Originally posted by: THX-1138
I for one have far too much on my plate at this time to do any work on STTMP (I was working on a huge extra long version), but I did have a few ideas on how to make that film a bit better. One of them is that the Film should open on Vulcan with Spock and then cut to the Klingon battle with V-jer, then to Kirk on Earth.

THX-1138


And, uh, might I ask you what those other ideas, are, that you've got?

It would be a lot better if the movie opened on Spock, instead of the Klingons. The movies often start on someone else...
Spock would sense V'ger (V'ger music), cut to V'ger (V'ger music), here come the Klingons.

Right after D.C PhantomEditor posted, another fellow got inspired and started snipping away at TMP. Then he somehow got the notion that he was stepping on Jack's work and creating confusion. He apologised and quit, didn't listen to encoragagement to continue. Weird, & a shame.
I'll see about putting his 1st-rough-cuts of the teaser & Act I up, on putfile or somewhere. But I think they'd need to be shrunk to a smaller filesize, to be yousendit-ed, or whatever.

Anyway, he pointed out that the original Star Trek episodes started on the Enterprise. And that's stuck with me. But a couple of movies make that damned-near impossible. For TMP, a person would pretty much have to make an "Engineer's log" by Scotty, over clips of working-on-the bridge, and establishing shots of engineering---

Dunno if it'd be possible to paste words together without it *sounding* like the words were pasted together. There's 2 or 3 games for source.
(Anyone have the The 25th-Anniversary-Game-Special-Edition? And a way to rip the audio?). (I've got Judgement Rites to dink around with).

I've been taking notes on editing the first 9 movies (Nemesis, IMO, would best be turned into a Special-Effects Reel. ).

But consider them Vapor-Edits. To do them my way would require mastering the skills of dubbing, matteing, rendering, and...
I've got as far as ripping one to the hdd. (Thank you ADigitalMan!). And that was for an unrelated experiment.
My main 2 problems are time and hdd-space. 'Tis a possiblilty of concocting unique bits I'd share with others, to use in there's, though.

But there is a guy who's doing a TMP-edit. Dunno if he's sticking with his 48-minute goal, or if he's decided to shoot for 96. (One could always say it "includes deleted scenes" :-). He's staying anonymous. There are links to samples in these 2 threads a NewVoyages.

Thread with his obsolete sample Thread with his latest sample

It's quite dissimilar to what I'd like to do, fortunatally. Its great work. Love his theme. (Except I never liked the movie fonts).

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That is just what I was imagining it to look like. I want to see that one when it is done.
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would be interesting, but the story might seem more screwed up then it already is. You would need to cut a lot of scenes and that might make it more confusing. but then again, you don't need five people reacting to the same thing so you might be able to get away with it. I don't know if a 60 minute version would be possible, but a 90 minute version( like the pilots from TNG to Enterprise) might work. ignoring that they are two different styles and such, how about combining "Space Seed" and ST2 into one movie? ST2 is 116 minutes(the original version is a little shorter) and the episode is only 50 minutes, so the whole thing would be less than 3 hours which isn't unbearable. the only thing you would need to do which might be a real pain is look at the season 2 and 3 episodes for a scene with Chekov that you could steal and use so he actually appears in the episode. It would be nice to include some of the missing scenes too, but those are hard to find and even harder to find with decent picture and sound quality.
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You know, after thinking about this a bit and after seeing what someone else did, this might not be as tough as I thought. There is still a lot of work to do and the soundtrack will cause problems, but I think you could make a 90-minute pilot episode version of this. The one I downloaded was 15 minutes and went right up to the Enterprise passing Jupiter scene. They cut out Spock on Vulcan, the tram station, the trip from the space station to the Enterprise, and the crew briefing but I think you could cut more and the story would work. For example, when Kirk arrives on the Enterprise, when he enters the turbolift, have him go straight to Engineering and cut out the whole bridge scene. If you cut the crew briefing, then this has no reason to stay either. Also, once in Engineering you can cut straight from Decker saying "I don't think you're sorry. Not one damn bit" to Kirk ordering him to the bridge. It makes Kirk's character stronger then it appears now. Also, and this is a pure nerd thing, but you can cut out the line where he says "Ahead Warp .5" when they leave spacedock. Like I said, it is a nerd thing but full impulse is nowhere near warp .5(try warp .1 or so). These are just some simple cuts, but you could probably shrink it down to 90 minutes and have a story that works nicely. The soundtrack is another matter!! Just some second thoughts. If I ever get ambitious and get this second hard drive installed, I might try one someday.
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Although I like Trek 1's boring-ness (I find it soothing, like looking at a fish tank), an interesting compression could occur during the long drydock scene: The various expository conversations seen later ("Epsilon 9, Enterprise is the only ship, blah blah") could be condensed into a few bits talking to Kirk on a screen in the shuttle as he comes over. I love Jerry Goldsmith as much as the next guy, but that scene is just excessive.
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Can't stay away, so I went back to work on my ST:TMP edit last night.

Was able to cut the dry-dock scene down to 2 min. Also, I Cut a good 4 min out of the Kilngon battle.

Lots of cuts all over. Removed a good deal of the fat.

It looks better then I thought it would. Had to do a good amount of sound work as well.

MORE TO COME

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Originally posted by: THX-1138
Can't stay away, so I went back to work on my ST:TMP edit last night.

Was able to cut the dry-dock scene down to 2 min. Also, I Cut a good 4 min out of the Kilngon battle.

Lots of cuts all over. Removed a good deal of the fat.

It looks better then I thought it would. Had to do a good amount of sound work as well.

MORE TO COME

THX-1138



Is this one going to be presented like a Phase 2 episode? I can't wait to see it either way.
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It's looking at this time like a much faster moving movie.

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Originally posted by: THX-1138
It's looking at this time like a much faster moving movie.

THX-1138


That's two kinds of good news.

Someone who is skilled and experienced is working on the movie. (I'm looking forward to seeing it!).

And, there's only one other person known to be currrently working on a Phase-II edit of it.
If I don't take too long, there might not be a glut by the time (if) I finish mine.

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Originally posted by: THX-1138
Was able to cut the dry-dock scene down to 2 min. Also, I Cut a good 4 min out of the Kilngon battle.

Robert Wise and Jerry Goldsmith are spinning over in their graves.

Neil

Well at least the reversed surround channels have been addressed.

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Too bad fanedits tend to mess with the score. If the TMP restoration thing happens, perhaps that will make up for some of it.
I'd like to think that Weiss would look down on us and take it as a compliment, people don't fan-edit unless they see something outstanding in the original. At least none of us take away the originals, a'la' Lucas...



Well, I've been whittling away at TMP and Wrath of Khan. (I have to switch around, because I've seen the movies waaaay too many times).

As always, whenever I try to participate in geekdom, Real Life jumps on me with both feet.
But movie editing is fun. (More fun than editing my messages. :-)

I hope to eventually condense the first 7 movies into Phase II's.
I started by putting off most of the fancy stuff for hypothetical Versions 2 and 3.


TMP has generally been easy to edit, so far. The leisurely pace makes it easy to find a place to put the scissors.

The others have been a PITA, even at the notes stage. Plenty of stuff I want to do. But several scenes which need to be trimmed, or split for rearrangement, aren't put together in a way that makes it easy (possible?). But I've had some neat "little victories"...


I think I could use some inspirations, from you guys, for #2 through #7.


What? Edit Wrath of Khan? But it's so dang good! Yeah, I think I might be able to squeeze it down to 96 minutes. I've already cut almost 4 minutes! I have some issues with it (mostly small stuff), as with all the movies. And the pacing needs to be brisker, in the first half, to fit a television format. There's a little bit of audio, from the German dub, that should enhance a certain scene... I think I'll include spoiler lists for people to test themselves against.

I'm troubled over how to fit Wrath into a series with the whole training-vessel/Captain-Spock thing... but I might need to keep the cadets-subplot for one issue. Maybe if it was, for example, the 4th-season opener...


You'd think Search for Spock could be cut down to 48 minutes... I plan to minimize Neo-Saavik. Ideally, I'd loop in a different name, and transplant Kirstie Alley into a couple silent cameo shots on the Enterprise (I know where). But I'm not optimistic about looping words (composited syllables) into sentances. I doubt Alley would mind a fan moving her over 1 hour, but she'd charge the studios a fortune to do it in real life. Yeah, well, in any case, I probably wont take it that far anyway...


Voyage Home has me stumped. The jokes quit being funny after about 20 times. But I don't know where to start, or how much to cut it.
One could jump from the time-travel, to them plucking the whales from the ocean. But without some diversion and tension, it's going to be too blatant of a way to get the charges dropped. (OTOH, a full trial would've probably exonerated them, anyway). Perhaps I could cut Kirk & Spock's adventure out, right after they sell the glasses. The movie could concentrate on the other quests, but how do you rescue Checkov from the hospital, without Gillian in every shot? You could beam him out in time, but then the plot gets too basic, again. In any case, a Trek series wouldn't pass up the opportunity to have them experience the past to some degree...


I suspect that #5 might come very close to Marshall's edit. But I see where I want some significant differences.


I dislike quite a lot of little things in #6 . I may be in a minority there. But I think I can improve it, at least for my tastes.
I would like to insert the confrontation with Kang, at least, from Flashback. But I don't know what CBS would think about that (They now own the UPN library, at least, the rest isn't clear). Also, of course, most of the acting is Voyager-style (I wonder if I might be able to drop frames & morph to at-least get the timing closer to human speech?). And Janeway would have to be matted out of every shot. (Version 2 or 3).


I'd like to get Generations down to 48 minutes, as a Phase II episode (as my answer to "The Kirkless Generation." :-); then recut it into a TNG episode; and then trim it to a 2-hour version which would've aired as a special movie-version "which closed both series-es". But I'm not sure I can drag out the "production timeline" that far. #2, #3, and #4 have to be consecutive episodes.

Kirk's first death, in Gen, was awesome. His second death was not. So, I hope to be able to keep Kirk alive, at the end. The ideal would be to have Picard say "You have a few friends in this century." (McCoy might still be alive, Scotty should be, Spock surely is, but he's unreachable. And Demora would be glad to see him, if her heart could take the shock). Then, after the Starships leave, we'd briefly go to a little mountain cabin where the echo of the-echo-of-Kirk is chopping wood...


First Contact is an unresearched possibility. I would want to eliminate Not-Zephram-Cochrane. Ideally, I'd like to steal the real one's actor (Glenn Corbett) from something else, for the ending. I suspect it would be too choppy, though. And stealing actors's images seems like a good way to inflame Hollywood...


Insurrection? Well, I don't know, because I keep falling asleep.

Nemesis, IMO, is a Special Effects Reel interrupted by the worst horror-movie cliches.

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My suggestions would be the following on making the movies into Star Trek: Phase 2 Episodes.
1. I don't know if it is possible, but could one eliminate the entire cadets on a training voyage angle from Star Trek 2? I would think that by cutting out some key lines, it would be possible. Plus, it doesn't really add anything to the story.
2. Forget about ST: Generations. That movie was about the next generation, and not really about the original cast except for Kirk. I would think that any Generations edit would have to make it an episode of ST:TNG, not Star Trek Phase 2. At least don't let Kirk die for such a poor reason and in such a lousy way, if you are going to do it. I didn't think either death in Generations was fitting for him.
Good luck on this project!
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Originally posted by: Jaiman Tuckuh

Kirk's first death, in Gen, was awesome. His second death was not. So, I hope to be able to keep Kirk alive, at the end. The ideal would be to have Picard say "You have a few friends in this century." (McCoy might still be alive, Scotty should be, Spock surely is, but he's unreachable. And Demora would be glad to see him, if her heart could take the shock).



I don't really know for sure, but I think that McCoy was supposed to have been at the very beginning of the first Next Generation Episode, as a very old man.

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I don't really know for sure, but I think that McCoy was supposed to have been at the very beginning of the first Next Generation Episode, as a very old man.


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Originally posted by: Number20
My suggestions would be the following on making the movies into Star Trek: Phase 2 Episodes.
1. I don't know if it is possible, but could one eliminate the entire cadets on a training voyage angle from Star Trek 2? I would think that by cutting out some key lines, it would be possible. Plus, it doesn't really add anything to the story.
2. Forget about ST: Generations. That movie was about the next generation, and not really about the original cast except for Kirk. I would think that any Generations edit would have to make it an episode of ST:TNG, not Star Trek Phase 2. At least don't let Kirk die for such a poor reason and in such a lousy way, if you are going to do it. I didn't think either death in Generations was fitting for him.
Good luck on this project!


Thanks!


1. Yeppers, I think editing out the training cruise is possible, to a degree. But it doesn't seem realistic to try to digitally reduce Spock in rank. And the ship would still be full of cadets. I believe that it's normal to have a classfull of cadets on a ship (20 or 30, not 400 of them). Someday I might be able to reduce the percentage of them.


2. Good point - there are only 3 of the original cast in Generations, and 2 of them were retired.
That doesn't fit very comfortably with the end of a Phase II series. OTOH, the elders could've retired in the previous episode. It'd been a better fit (and a better movie) if Nimoy hadn't turned down Generations. His lines wouldn't have been very substantial, but it would've been a whole lot better than giving them to Koenig and Doohan.

Well, maybe Generations wont work within the Phase II framework... I figured that as long as I was rewriting history, I might as well stand history on its head, and give Phase II fifteen seasons. I was looking forward to cutting it down to a Kirk-centric episode. But there's 35.5 minutes of Kirk's story, so that's out. 48 minutes wouldn't leave enough to explain Soran & stuff. 96 minutes would leave it TNG-heavy. I'm still going to try to recut Gen, with Kirk alive at the end. If not as part of the PII series, then a TNG crossover with it. A crossover would sort of keep it on topic, right? :-)


I've always felt that the way they animated the energy-arcs suggested that the Nexus had a conciousness which sought out its semi-captives. And that it took Kirk in an act of frustration. OTOH, the bolt may've been attracted to a residual charge around the dish. So, either way, Kirk may have been putting himself into danger without knowing it. If that helps...


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Originally posted by: blonde_devil
{snip} ignoring that they are two different styles and such, how about combining "Space Seed" and ST2 into one movie? ST2 is 116 minutes(the original version is a little shorter) and the episode is only 50 minutes, so the whole thing would be less than 3 hours which isn't unbearable. the only thing you would need to do which might be a real pain is look at the season 2 and 3 episodes for a scene with Chekov that you could steal and use so he actually appears in the episode. It would be nice to include some of the missing scenes too, but those are hard to find and even harder to find with decent picture and sound quality.


That could be interesting...

I'm going steal your idea (with credit), if you don't mind, and adapt to Phase II, and try to make a "15-years-ago" synopsis out of Space Seed. Then make the beginning of the Kobiashi Maru into a short teaser. It'd fade out right at the end of the distress call. That would be a classic way to start any era of episode.

Engineering is the best place for Khan to meet Chekov. It might be feasible to paste his head on one of the two crewmen, there, or render/steal another jumpsuit, for him. I haven't started looking for source material. But it would have to be his 2nd-season Prince Valient Wig... (Keep in mind I have no Idea what I'm getting into with this matteing and rendering stuff... :-)


I'm aching for a decent-quality version of the "she's half-Romulan." scene. It aired in a preview on some cable showing.

And I'm looking forward to "BLAX31: Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn - The Television Cut". I want to cut together both versions of the turbolift scene - so that both Kirk and Saavik flirt briefly. It's out of character for Kirk to get overt (look her up & down, in this case), without the babe giving him "the look" first (they usually do). (The exceptions are when Kirk is seducing them in the line of duty - e.g. Shahna, Kelinda...)


I hope you make your own version of TMP-as-Phase II. I'd like to see it.

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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
Although I like Trek 1's boring-ness (I find it soothing, like looking at a fish tank), an interesting compression could occur during the long drydock scene: The various expository conversations seen later ("Epsilon 9, Enterprise is the only ship, blah blah") could be condensed into a few bits talking to Kirk on a screen in the shuttle as he comes over. I love Jerry Goldsmith as much as the next guy, but that scene is just excessive.


Fish tank, LOL! Well, a whole lot of the existing visual effects have to be ditched, anyway, to make a plausible tv show.


A viewscreen, in the shuttle, would have to go on the consoles, below the windows. There's one shot where Kirk might be construed as looking that direction. It might be possible to have him see the beginning of the Epsilon call, then switch the POV to the Bridge's viewscreen. There are plenty of shots of a concerned-looking crew staring at the screen...

Yeeess, yeeessss...

I'll have to try that when I start experimenting with matteing and stuff.

The rough-cut ditches most of the grand-tour sequence, (a couple of kinks, so I'm not ready to brag about it yet) and keeps Kirk's reaction as he sees the ship from the front. I wouldn't mind losing the rest and getting rid of the lets-all-quit-fixing-the-ship-for-a-while scene, too.

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Hi

I know a guy who's already sorted the whole STAR TREK movie saga into films (Well nearly)


He's done Eps 2&3 as the lst two TOS episodes, called SPACE PLANT and RETURN TO GENESIS. RTG ends where they take Spock to Vulcan.

Then the other guy you mentioned is doin TMP as IN THY IMAGE - a pilot show.

In Dan's mind , (i love all this continuity rubbish!!) that was a format tester, and the Spock Vulcan stuff hes done as TURN BACK TIME as the first ep of phase ii the series, resolving the cliffhanger from TOS. THE VOYAGE HOME is his second ep.

IN THYIMAGE (Marshalls version of V) is the third ep, and I suggested that the do THE UNDISCOVERED COUTNRY as a two part finale to the mini series (God, I've got on his wick!).

Generations is divided in two, the Enterprise B part is THE FINAL JOURNEY, a 20 min tv special, and KIRKLESS GENERATIONS is the finale of TNG.

The rest hasnt been done yet (FIRST CONTACT'S untouchable), but he was gonna do INSURRECTION as Star Wars IX, but apparantly it didnt work.

Chou 4 now,

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Hi, I am Dan!

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how many of the actual phase II scripts were made into next generation episodes.

By the way william Riker and william Decker and ilia and troi are too similar to just be a co-insidance.

There is some test footage of phase II on the second disc on the star trek I director's edition, don't know how much of the actual pilot was shot though I think only temp footage scripts and storyboards and audition tapes for Xon exist.

The future of trek would've been entirely different without spock, and the possibility of kirk being written off of the show with decker as the captain of the second five year mission would've been weird.

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