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Don't forget that Tarkin was possibly even more cruel than Vader. He actually smiled as he destroyed an entire planet. Sure, Vader killed many single persons, but smiling after wiping out a damn planet! Vader can't beat that one.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Originally posted by: olzen
Don't forget that Tarkin was possibly even more cruel than Vader. He actually smiled as he destroyed an entire planet. Sure, Vader killed many single persons, but smiling after wiping out a damn planet! Vader can't beat that one.


Yeah, that actually makes me wonder what if Tarkin would still be alive at the time of the second Death Star, and also would be in command of it....
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Originally posted by: Master Skywalker

Yeah, that actually makes me wonder what if Tarkin would still be alive at the time of the second Death Star, and also would be in command of it....


All I have to say is that the stormtroopers and construction workers would have had LOTS of BBQ Ewok to eat well before the Rebels ever arrived.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Originally posted by: Master Skywalker

Yeah, that actually makes me wonder what if Tarkin would still be alive at the time of the second Death Star, and also would be in command of it....


All I have to say is that the stormtroopers and construction workers would have had LOTS of BBQ Ewok to eat well before the Rebels ever arrived.


LOl, yeah, "The Emperors Finest", royal Ewok, freshly BBQ by a DS Turbolaser.
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The TIE attack sequence, just like the droid factory sequence in AOTC, serves absolutely no purpose in the story;


It does have a purpose - it convinces the escapees (apart from Leia) that their escape was legitimate.

If you're going to cut it, why not cut the chasm scene in the Death Star? That serves no purpose to the plot. Come to think of it, the Podrace in Ep I is pretty superfluous. And what's all that stuff with Luke and the Wampa about in ESB? Pointless...

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AOTC was incredibly close to being the greatest Star Wars film ever

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Almost as close as Paul W. S. Anderson and Uwe Boll are to being directors...

By the way, as far as reediting prequels goes, the first and most important change is eliminating any trace of Wooden Christensen. Everything else is secondary.
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Originally posted by: battlewars
Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: battlewars
i dont get why obi wan lied to luke either about the lightsaber thing. it just makes him look like a liar and too much a manipulator now as it stands


Let's examine the situation, had he told Luke the truth:

Obi-Wan: Luke, just before you were born, your father and I had a large battle on a lava planet. I chopped off both of his legs and one of his arms, leaving only his mechanical arm. He then caught on fire and I stood watching him burn. I decided to leave and left him burning to death in extreme pain on the side of the lava river. But, before I left, I picked up his lightsaber. (Hands Luke the lightsaber)

(Luke looks at Obi-Wan with large eyes.)

Obi-Wan: SO... um, anyway, I thought I might give it to you. By the way Luke, he also wiped out an entire village of women and children jawas and used it to destroy all of the jedi in the jedi temple, including all of the kids, which he stabed through the stomach. So... what do you say?

Luke: ....YOU SON OF A BITCH! VADER DIDN'T KILL MY FATHER, YOU DID OBI-WAN, YOU ASSHOLE! MY UNCLE WAS RIGHT, YOU ARE JUST SOME CRAZY OLD MAN! I'M GOING BACK TO MY UNCLE'S FARM!

Obi-Wan: But, you are our only hope! You must do what you feel is right! You must learn the ways of the force!

Luke: DAMN YOUR FORCE! (Ignites Anakin's lightsaber, and stabs Obi-Wan through the stomach, before slicing him in half.)

(Luke leaves Obi-Wan's, and Vader takes over the galaxy. Luke still eventually meets Leia, who he marries and they have inbred kids together.)
i know he had to lie but about everything? lucas made a mistake by not adding a scene in the prequels where anakin asks obi wan to give his lightsaber to his son if anything happens to him


Lucas should go back and film a scene like that in ROTS during the part when he's flying the burning ship
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"i know he had to lie but about everything? lucas made a mistake by not adding a scene in the prequels where anakin asks obi wan to give his lightsaber to his son if anything happens to him
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Lucas should go back and film a scene like that in ROTS during the part when he's flying the burning ship
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That would be impossible...I mean what's he going to tell him?

ANAKIN: Now we're really picking up speed! By the way, since we're gonna die anyway, I better tell you something master. I'm secretly married to Padme, and we've had sex so many times that its impossible for her NOT to be pregnant, so if we crash and I die but you don't somehow, could you please give my lightsaber to my child when he/she grows up?

OBI-WAN: WTF?!?!

PALPATINE: Damn bro, you're even more twisted than I am!

ARTOO: Beeep bep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep?!?!

"In ESB Tarkin is dead, and Vader isn't humaniod anymore (in ANH he still was 50% man, 50% machine, in ESB, it was just a heartless cyborg)."

Actually he didn't change at all between ANH and ESB. All that changed was that he was given the command of a starship of his own. But his body/mind did not change the slightest.

"About your changes, I think you should better make the PT fit the OT, and not the other way around, because thats the same mistake GL made, is to make the OT fit the PT, and not vica-versa."

Actually, that is exactly what I was trying to do. If you look at my PT changes, especially ROTS, you'll see a lot of things that, in my opinion, make the tie between the OT and PT 10 times better than the way Lucas has it.
Another thing you have to realize is this: what is the PT? Just a bunch of fancy computer graphics put togethter and called a trilogy. The OT on the other hand, has a lot less of this and a lot more humanity. Adding CGI to a movie after it's already made is easy. Adding humanity to a movie after it's already made is hard, and in some cases, impossible. That's why to establish saga continuity, a lot of changes are going to have to be done to the OT, whereas the changes done to the PT aren't for continuity, but to improve the quality of the movies themselves.

"AOTC was incredibly close to being the greatest Star Wars film ever
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Almost as close as Paul W. S. Anderson and Uwe Boll are to being directors...
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Believe me it was. This movie had THE MOST potential of being, not just the best SW movie, but the best movie of all time if it had been done properly. It was supposed to be a LOVE STORY in the Star Wars universe, you can't beat that...and they screwed it up...big time. And like I said, it's at the bottom of my list of favorites. What a shame

"By the way, as far as reediting prequels goes, the first and most important change is eliminating any trace of Wooden Christensen. Everything else is secondary."

I really wish that were possible...but I think we should also give the guy a break because he's had so much criticism over his performance in AOTC...if it wasn't for his improved performance in ROTS, I think his career as an actor would have been finished. I think it's all the director's fault anyway...an actor is a director's tool, and you can't hit the nail on the head if you can't aim the hammer.

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oops forgot that padme tells anakin after. Hmm i don't know just somewhere, i know its possible but hmm were to put it
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If your going to add a part where he talks about giving his lightsaber to his son. I think it would have to go like this[I wrote this a while ago]:

The dream Anakin wakes up rest of the events up to Hayden saying "It's just a dream"

Anakin walks over to where his lightsaber is
Anakin: I want him to have this. I want him to become a Jedi.
Padme: Him? Why do you think it's a boy?
Anakin: He was in my dream.
Padme: Now how could that be a bad dream?
Anakin: There was something else ... You die in childbirth. [rest of scene plays out]

I just rewrote one of Padme's lines just now. (Him? Why do you think it's a boy?/Him? How do you know it's a boy?) Anyways, since there's intercutting in the birth of vader scene it's probable that Padme told Obiwan. Even, if you don't include the Vader birth scene it's probable she told Obiwan before the surgery began. That's where Obiwan's line comes from. It also, takes care of Vader knowing about Luke but, not Leia... Though, it would only be accomplishable through reshoots....

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its the little things like that that would help make the saga more complete
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"If your going to add a part where he talks about giving his lightsaber to his son. I think it would have to go like this[I wrote this a while ago]:

The dream Anakin wakes up rest of the events up to Hayden saying "It's just a dream"

Anakin walks over to where his lightsaber is
Anakin: I want him to have this. I want him to become a Jedi.
Padme: Him? Why do you think it's a boy?
Anakin: He was in my dream.
Padme: Now how could that be a bad dream?
Anakin: There was something else ... You die in childbirth. [rest of scene plays out]
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That would work in some sense...except that I don't think Anakin was expecting to die...or join the darkside, or be away from his child in any sense. It might make more sense if he said that he wanted his son to be a Jedi or something...but that wouldn't really be lightsaber-specific. I think the best and easiest way to take care of that is to just do what I did and replace "Your father" with "I". And when you think about it, it makes a lot more sense. Little things like this are what makes the saga feel more consistent and complete, just like Battlewars said.

I was also thinking of another picky idea to put on my site, and I wanna get some feedback on it first. In ANH Han Solo says, "I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." What if...we reversed those two lines? I think it would make a lot more sense and go much better with the conversation. Check it out:

HAN: I'm not in this for your revolution and I'm not it for you, princess. I'm in it for the money and I expect to be well paid.

LEIA: If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive.

I think it works pretty well...any thoughts?

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Hey man: I looked at your site, and I think most of the oriiginal trilogy changes are pretty out there and not necessary. Your prequel ideas are interesting, though I know in the Episode II page you were talking about the lightsaber sound effects being bad and bad dialogue... There a guy on this forum that was doing a new version of Episode II called Shadow of the Dark Side, and I think it corrected most of those problems. He's redoing Anakin's voice, too.

Something like that type of project would probably be a better bet that trying to get lucas to change it, which is kind of impossible, IMO.
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Originally posted by: aPPmaSTer

That would work in some sense...except that I don't think Anakin was expecting to die...or join the darkside, or be away from his child in any sense. It might make more sense if he said that he wanted his son to be a Jedi or something...but that wouldn't really be lightsaber-specific. I think the best and easiest way to take care of that is to just do what I did and replace "Your father" with "I". And when you think about it, it makes a lot more sense. Little things like this are what makes the saga feel more consistent and complete, just like Battlewars said.

I strongly dissagree about the being away from his child bit. In the beggining of the movie he mentions he wouldn't even have come back if the Chancellor weren't kidnapped. Plus, if you do have something where he talks about his child being a jedi. I think it would have to be lightsaber specific because, in AOTC he looses his lightsaber during the chase, then his lightsaber gets cut at the factory. Saying that he want's his kid to have it puts more importance on it[sort of like saying "There's no way I'm losing this one."]. I agree that putting "I" in it's place would be easier but, I dissagree that it's the best way. The best way would to have the jedi not be against marriage and, such. Then, Anakin could tell Obiwan sometime after finding out he's going to have a child. In any case I'm just suggesting ideas if you pull off getting the actors for reshoots[if you do get them to do reshoots might as, well try to make the PT fit the OT more and, not the other way around].

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Making Ewan and Hayden do re-shoots?! Who's gonna pay the bill? Not that I don't support these projects, but don't get in over your heads!

Originally posted by: aPPmaSTer

I was also thinking of another picky idea to put on my site, and I wanna get some feedback on it first. In ANH Han Solo says, "I expect to be well paid. I'm in it for the money." What if...we reversed those two lines? I think it would make a lot more sense and go much better with the conversation. Check it out:

HAN: I'm not in this for your revolution and I'm not it for you, princess. I'm in it for the money and I expect to be well paid.

LEIA: If money is all that you love, then that's what you'll receive.

I think it works pretty well...any thoughts?


Well, again, it's completely unnecessary. Changes that improve the continuity are all right, but this is, no offence intended, crazy.

"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Agreed, reshoots would be hard as HELL. That's why I avoided that as much as possible on my site. If reshoots WERE possible...heck, I'd have so many ideas I wouldn't know what to do with them all.

"Changes that improve the continuity are all right, but this is, no offence intended, crazy."

Well here's the thing. The point of Master Edition is not to ONLY take care of continuity errors, but take care of little things that feel like you're driving on a smooth road and then suddenly hit a bump. An example of this is Boba Fett's death, which I think was a disappointment to everybody. It doesn't change to continuity of you change it, but it improves the character's image in front of the audience. The Han Solo line is a bit picky...very picky, but it's one of those things that, to me, feel like an un-necessarry bump on the road, and it's a bit...well...cringe-inducing

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Well, my advice would be to leave the tiny things alone. It'll take the charm out of the film, and that is one of the things I think went wrong with the PT. I can't possibly see why "I expect to be well-paid! I'm in it for the money!" can be cringe-inducing. Cringe-inducing would be Jar Jar stepping in a turd and expressing his disgust in Jamaican. Most of the OT should be left alone.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Originally posted by: olzen
I can't possibly see why "I expect to be well-paid! I'm in it for the money!" can be cringe-inducing.


Becasue, like most of Star Wars, it is cheasy, cliche, obvious dialogue. I say leave all of it in like that, as it makes it what it was supposed to be: an homage to the serials from the 30's, which were cheasy, cliche, and obvious.

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Actually, I think my idea makes more cliche and more obvious. The reason I suggested it is because it makes what he says make more sense if the two lines were reversed.

I mean look at it, he says, "I'm not in it for this, and I'm not in it for that. I expect this, I'm in for that."

Now let's reverse them:

"I'm not it for this, and I'm not it for that. I'm in it for that...and I expect this."

I think it sounds a lot better, and is definetely more obvious than the first one. The original one to me feels like a mistake.

Adamwankenobi, still awaiting your post!! I hope you're taking your time because ur making it very detailed BTW, there's an identical copy of this idea on TF.N.

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Hey, the guy's a smuggler on the run. I doubt he went to grammar classes
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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"I expect to be well paid" is a less mercenary statement than "I'm in it for the money". Swap 'em around and you may as well drop the second part.

Also, no offence, but I think calling it the Master Edition indicates, to quote our favourite movies, delusions of grandeur As you've seen, plenty of people disagree with some of your proposals - just as they did with my edit. I wouldn't want any changes to be made to Boba Fett's death, or Han's Solo lines... and so on. The only person who can really lay claim to creating a Master Edition is George Lucas... unfortunately, which is why this site exists.

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"Also, no offence, but I think calling it the Master Edition indicates, to quote our favourite movies, delusions of grandeur As you've seen, plenty of people disagree with some of your proposals - just as they did with my edit. I wouldn't want any changes to be made to Boba Fett's death, or Han's Solo lines... and so on. The only person who can really lay claim to creating a Master Edition is George Lucas... unfortunately, which is why this site exists."

It's just a name, like Smith or something....so no delusions of grandeur intended I think Lucas would probably call it something like "The 30th Anniversary Edition" or "The Star Wars Mega Pack" or something like that, not Master Edition. That's MY name! I should copyright it...


"As you've seen, plenty of people disagree with some of your proposals - just as they did with my edit."

To be honest, coming from a bunch of people who are all for preserving the O-OT, I'm surprised that anyone voted for anything besides, "It sucks." Maybe it's not so bad...

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Actually, you will find that many people here do not mind Lucas' changes. The problem is that he (although he supports fan preservations) doesn't give us the choice to watch the original theatrical versions on DVD. I don't mind the changes - matter of fact, I probably like most of them more than you other guys - but it's the lack of a real choice that makes me support this site.
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Agreed. Two versions should be released, either separately or together in a boxed set. One version that presents each movie in its original theatrical format, and another that plays out like a saga and fixes all plot holes...like Master Edition
This is the only way people would have a choice, and personally, I really want that choice.

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