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If we get the originals with no DNR and original audio I don’t think, At least I won’t be out to destroy something good coming out of the endless cycle. of whatever the current thing Lucas says for the reason the originals can’t be made available in restored quality.

Why can’t we simply have catalogue releases from Lucasfilm, of titles of how the films looked before all the cgi and grain removal. You have no idea the joy it would bring me to get THX 1138 and American Graffiti, in the same quality as these presumptive Star Wars remasters. And they won’t because its good enough for George or Disney to give us ruined versions.

Even Phantom Menace, yes the prequel. If it was restored theatrical cut, I would buy it day one if it didn’t have the foolish DNR and cgi Yoda. Or the extended edits that slow down the pace. If it had the same mix as the audio on the laserdisc.

The original cuts of Star Wars if a problem free 4K arrives that and it’s not insanely priced, that will be the last Star Wars I ever buy. Oh perhaps someday they will do a better version of Maclunky i’m done with the Special Edition unless it’s the 1997 in archival form. Would be nice to not have to rely on a laserdisc.

This site will then pivot as it already has for years for topics of discussion outside of the lack of the original, and fanedits will still be a thing. Film preservation and its need won’t magically dissipate.

JadedSkywalker said:
Even Phantom Menace, yes the prequel. If it was restored theatrical cut, I would buy it day one if it didn’t have the foolish DNR and cgi Yoda. Or the extended edits that slow down the pace. If it had the same mix as the audio on the laserdisc.

Yes, and besides, I don’t understand the need to release a UHD version of something that was originally scanned at 2K to add CGI effects and then reprinted on film, especially since some parts were filmed digitally at 1080p. I think the theatrical version of TPM should be released on Blu-ray with the grain and color intact, without any upscaling, and it should be available alongside the “Special Edition” of TPM.

Was the Holiday Special shot on film? I know this is probably something just for me, and me alone, but still.

Original Star Tours?

Original Young Indy. Would like to see that officially released.

Jiminy Scrambles said:

Was the Holiday Special shot on film?

Shot on videotape.

WXM said:

kali9615 said:

Shot on videotape.

(Except the animated segment surely.)

There was actually some very clean screenshots of the segment from a 2018 interview article with Nelvana animator John Celestri, although it’s undetermined if whether the screenshots in question are from an OCN scan or simply press photos that were taken during the production. https://www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-holiday-special-boba-fett

This interview with the creator of 4K77 is a must watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k86bEGdSZK0

WXM said:

kali9615 said:

Shot on videotape.

(Except the animated segment surely.)

It’s not well known but the animated segment actually has a deleted scene for the commercial break which wasn’t included in the final broadcast. The audio is a backmasked Canadian energy PSA https://youtu.be/E6re5fLsELE?si=_rmlkpnil75rC2iH

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:
Even Phantom Menace, yes the prequel. If it was restored theatrical cut, I would buy it day one if it didn’t have the foolish DNR and cgi Yoda. Or the extended edits that slow down the pace. If it had the same mix as the audio on the laserdisc.

Yes, and besides, I don’t understand the need to release a UHD version of something that was originally scanned at 2K to add CGI effects and then reprinted on film, especially since some parts were filmed digitally at 1080p. I think the theatrical version of TPM should be released on Blu-ray with the grain and color intact, without any upscaling, and it should be available alongside the “Special Edition” of TPM.

UHD’s of 2k-finished films still have advantages over regular blu-ray. Because of home video’s 4:2:0 subsampling, you’re actually seeing a 2k movie at almost its full chroma. The data rate can go up to a hundred or so mpbs vs fifty for bd. You also get greater color space, bit depth, and, for what it’s worth, 2k is slightly higher than hd.

A 2k movie can look great on UHD as long as they don’t screw it up. Oblivion is one example I’ve heard of where the resolvable detail of the UHD is actually botched compared to the blu-ray.

I’d love to see what they could do with a theatrical TPM on UHD. Even if the original unaltered digital filmout tapes weren’t backed up and aren’t readable anymore, they could still just scan the filmed out negative back in. As long as it was handled and stored well, it probably wouldn’t need much cleanup.

AotC and RotS, even though they were entirely digital, would still be interesting to see scanned in from film if the exact 1:1 digital backups of the theatrical cuts don’t exist anymore. Only a hundred or so theaters in the US were showing AotC digitally in May of 2002, and I’m guessing only a few hundred showed RotS that way three years later.

Oh, and the ‘97 SE of the OT with its photochemical finish would look incredible in 4k on UHD. The ideal treatment for each OT film, for me, would be the unaltered cut on one disc, the ‘97 on another, and a final cut (with every remaining vfx error and transparency fixed along with whatever final changes George wanted to make) on a third.

Broom Kid said:

Looks good in here 😃

You have no idea the joy it would bring me to get THX 1138 and American Graffiti, in the same quality as these presumptive Star Wars remasters.

Honestly, are these two the last holy grails? Or wait - is there a 35mm scan of Graffiti out there? I THINK there is but I’m not sure.

I know there’s a sort of hybrid fan-restoration of 1138 (uses 16mm and Laserdisc or something like that) but at this point a real restoration of 1138 might be the only thing left on the bucket list for Lucasfilm

THX-1138 would need to be rescanned in 4k for a UHD, assuming it wasn’t done years ago and has just been sitting there waiting to be finished and released. I can’t help wondering if the reason we still haven’t seen a UHD blu-ray release after almost a decade into the format is because George wants to redo the cg.

I’d love to see it get the Criterion treatment, and even Graffiti could theoretically get a redo on disc. I mean, we’re getting Star Wars freshly transferred in 4k yet again, so anything’s possible.

I hope Indiana Jones gets this treatment too.

What’s this about them stretching out composited elements to cover up matte lines?

Where can I read more about this or see comparisons?

That guy with no name said:

JF_Sanderson said:

Verboten said:

What’s this about them stretching out composited elements to cover up matte lines?

Where did you hear this? Don’t believe it’s come up before and would regard as false. (?)

This thread is long but oojason has posted comparisons of every clip within it.

He’s talking about the Indiana Jones 4K restoration where they masked out and re-positioned elements to disguise their matte lines.

There was also some straight up recompositing from og elements in those versions too:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=15963&d2=15964&s1=169531&s2=169532&i=12&l=0&a=1

Thank you. It was mentioned earlier in thread, but I didn’t get around to asking for more info till now.

Fang Zei said:

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:
Even Phantom Menace, yes the prequel. If it was restored theatrical cut, I would buy it day one if it didn’t have the foolish DNR and cgi Yoda. Or the extended edits that slow down the pace. If it had the same mix as the audio on the laserdisc.

Yes, and besides, I don’t understand the need to release a UHD version of something that was originally scanned at 2K to add CGI effects and then reprinted on film, especially since some parts were filmed digitally at 1080p. I think the theatrical version of TPM should be released on Blu-ray with the grain and color intact, without any upscaling, and it should be available alongside the “Special Edition” of TPM.

UHD’s of 2k-finished films still have advantages over regular blu-ray. Because of home video’s 4:2:0 subsampling, you’re actually seeing a 2k movie at almost its full chroma. The data rate can go up to a hundred or so mpbs vs fifty for bd. You also get greater color space, bit depth, and, for what it’s worth, 2k is slightly higher than hd.

A 2k movie can look great on UHD as long as they don’t screw it up. Oblivion is one example I’ve heard of where the resolvable detail of the UHD is actually botched compared to the blu-ray.

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m afraid that when they transfer it to a UHD Blu-ray they’ll upscale it, and besides, I don’t like HDR. I don’t like that a film designed to be projected at 48 nits should exceed that number just to sell television technology. The only good HDR is the three-flash/exposure process of the scanner.

YAREL_RGP said:

Fang Zei said:

YAREL_RGP said:

JadedSkywalker said:
Even Phantom Menace, yes the prequel. If it was restored theatrical cut, I would buy it day one if it didn’t have the foolish DNR and cgi Yoda. Or the extended edits that slow down the pace. If it had the same mix as the audio on the laserdisc.

Yes, and besides, I don’t understand the need to release a UHD version of something that was originally scanned at 2K to add CGI effects and then reprinted on film, especially since some parts were filmed digitally at 1080p. I think the theatrical version of TPM should be released on Blu-ray with the grain and color intact, without any upscaling, and it should be available alongside the “Special Edition” of TPM.

UHD’s of 2k-finished films still have advantages over regular blu-ray. Because of home video’s 4:2:0 subsampling, you’re actually seeing a 2k movie at almost its full chroma. The data rate can go up to a hundred or so mpbs vs fifty for bd. You also get greater color space, bit depth, and, for what it’s worth, 2k is slightly higher than hd.

A 2k movie can look great on UHD as long as they don’t screw it up. Oblivion is one example I’ve heard of where the resolvable detail of the UHD is actually botched compared to the blu-ray.

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m afraid that when they transfer it to a UHD Blu-ray they’ll upscale it, and besides, I don’t like HDR. I don’t like that a film designed to be projected at 48 nits should exceed that number just to sell television technology. The only good HDR is the three-flash/exposure process of the scanner.

True, but there are UHD releases that don’t have HDR. So you could present theatrical TPM in SDR in full 2k and with the advantages of wider color gamut, bit depth, and higher chroma resolution, thus getting it that much closer to how it would’ve looked projected in 35mm. The upscale to 4k, if done correctly, would look pretty transparent to the original source. If viewed on a 4k tv, a 1080p signal is going to get upscaled to UHD resolution anyway, either by the player or the tv.

Gimme that for the theatrical prequels and the ‘97 SE’s.

He’s talking about the Indiana Jones 4K restoration where they masked out and re-positioned elements to disguise their matte lines.

Haven’t the Indiana Jones films always had some level of f*ckery done to them since DVD? I know there were a whole bunch of recomps done for the DVDs that reverted back to their original state on the Blu-rays, then went back to being recomped again for 4K.

Then you have random stuff in the Blu-ray like lightbulbs being digitally lit that weren’t lit previously. Stuff so trivial that 90% of the public wouldn’t even notice unless it was pointed out to them. I have to assume Spielberg is the only thing that’s kept George from going whole hog ‘Special Edition’ on Indy like he’s done with his other films, especially after that totally redone CG shot of the truck going over the cliff in ‘Raiders’ that appeared in TV broadcasts but never made it into a home video release.

Nien Nunb said:

Then you have random stuff in the Blu-ray like lightbulbs being digitally lit that weren’t lit previously. Stuff so trivial that 90% of the public wouldn’t even notice unless it was pointed out to them.

You forgot Satipo’s eyes bulging out like a cartoon.

kali9615 said:

Nien Nunb said:

Then you have random stuff in the Blu-ray like lightbulbs being digitally lit that weren’t lit previously. Stuff so trivial that 90% of the public wouldn’t even notice unless it was pointed out to them.

You forgot Satipo’s eyes bulging out like a cartoon.

Jesus. I really don’t get it! Who actually sits around and thinks of stuff like this as being ‘wrong’, let alone goes out of their way to actually ‘fix’ it decades after the fact? Sometimes I wonder whether Lucas actually requested these changes or if he just lets his VFX artists go hog wild on his old films and goes ‘ok, cool!’, then signs off on it.

As unnecessary as the 1997 Star Wars Special Editions may have been, I can at least understand what Lucas was going for with most of the VFX updates. Even the 2004 DVD changes, as stupid as most of them were, helped link the OT closer to the PT (even though that should’ve been done the other way around). Any of the changes from 2011 and beyond though, it almost seemed as if Lucas was deliberately trolling his critics, trying to see how much inane crap he could change just to press people’s buttons. With Indy though, I always got the feeling that Spielberg used his influence and longtime friendship with George to reign in these stupid changes as much as possible, otherwise we probably would’ve gotten full blown SE’s of all 3 of the original films by now. The Snake reflection I understand, but everything else is like “let’s see if anyone notices this” type changes. Things that are too inconsequential for any normal person to have ever been bothered by.