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The Many Tonal Whiplashes of Star Wars

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I don’t know if it’s because I just finished Andor or we are experiencing autocracy in action or maybe I’m just getting old but my recent Star Wars viewing expenses have very, very different from my first.

The first two films made are pretty simple good versus evil tales that appeal across the ages and have a sense being inside the story. However we are shielded from some of the implications of fighting for liberty because the enemy dresses up almost like machines. For a “family” film it is also quite violent. We are with Owen and Beru long enough to see their charred skeletons as more than set dressing both heroes and villains alike are cutting off arms with some frequency. Anakin burning alive is deeply uncomfortable viewing bfor a film series supposedly primarily for children.

From Return of the Jedi onwards the increase in the number of aliens (Puppets and CGI), the always bizarre status of droids as both characters we care for but also things to blow up or laugh at when mistreated ramps up too. This in my few adds further distance from the reality and consequences of violence. The Battle between the Gungans and the Battledroids and the Ewoks and the Stormtroopers sanitise death, and pain on the altar of spectacle. Vehicles explode. Blaster bolts fly but nobody really bleeds (except a for one Ewoks and a flesh wound to Leia’s arm). We are so used to even the heroes treating droids as slaves that seeing human child slaves having comfortable lives once again sanitises the concept. Not to mention the child soldiers of the Jedi and the clones.

We see politics as blank shapes emotionally numb in committees. Once again lots of masks lots of face paint. Rarely does anyone raise a voice. Compared to reality where we see the anger, the duplicity, the drama of politics everyday. We very rarely get close up emotional responses in these films. That was a standout feature of Andor for me.

Then romance. Everyone seems to agree that the Prequels handled romance badly but consider Han’s attitude to Leia in ESB. He aggressively ignores Leia’s boundaries, she repeatedly tells him to stop and he pushes, he literally backs her into a corner and forces her into a kiss. There a very similar scene in Bladerunner which is meant to be uncomfortable and ethically dubious but I don’t think that was the intent in that scene. In the Prequels Padme is very uncomfortable around Anakin she is clearly aware he is fiercely infatuated with her and vocally tells him to back off, though for some reason the costume department put her in an impossibly tight and revealing outfit for the most vocal putdown. She only seems to show genuine affection after he tells he he murdered women and children. Also what is Jabba doing to these scantily clad women? It’s so unpleasant that Threepio can’t look and Salacious Crumb thinks it’s amusing.

Then there is the body humour, burps, farts, poop.

Gluing these elements together is some of the most beautiful symphonic music ever compiled for a film series. I hope John Williams stays with us for many years to come but a large chunk of his legacy to the world will be his Star Wars scores but for some of the reasons I mention above it doesn’t seem appropriate at times.

I was tempted to start this thread in the fanedit category as it would be interesting to discuss particular examples and maybe ways this situations could have been rectified or enhanced for narrative effect. I appreciate for a first post it’s quite blong but I would be interested in more specific examples people notice or if people think I’m looking too deeply or wanting too much from a series I first encountered in a darkened room nearly 50 years ago.

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Bingowings said:

Then romance. Everyone seems to agree that the Prequels handled romance badly but consider Han’s attitude to Leia in ESB. He aggressively ignores Leia’s boundaries, she repeatedly tells him to stop and he pushes, he literally backs her into a corner and forces her into a kiss.

I will add that Han forces the kiss while Leia tries to fix his ship, it is really not the time for that! And when C3PO interrupts them, Leia sneaks away. If she had agreed to the kiss, she would have told C3PO off!

ESB is a 45 year old movie, and showing its age!

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My Star Wars head canon has become utterly ruthless these last couple of years. I’m down to the (not uncommon) viewpoint that ‘there are only 2 good SW films’ (you can guess which ones) and, to be honest, I may be on the verge of joining our friend/admin Anchorhead in whittling it down to Star Wars '77 alone.

I really liked Andor, but there was a part of me that was genuinely disturbed. Is this even Star Wars anymore? It’s hard to reconcile the swashbuckling ‘good guys vs bad guys’ vibe of the original movie (charred skeletons and severed limbs notwithstanding) with the bleak real-world melancholy of Andor.

Back in '79, when I was 10 and there was just ‘Star Wars’, my opinionated wannabe new-age father sat me down to lecture me about how I’d never considered that dying Stormtroopers “might have had families”. Even back then I understood that Star Wars was not intended to reflect real-life in that way, even if it did have something of a moral core. So I dismissed Dad’s bluster as just another one of his many lectures.

Andor was literally my Dad’s lecture come to life! Again, I loved it, but was it Star Wars? Ironically I’ve always been a ‘go darker/heavier’ type fan, but recent Star Wars content has caused me to reevaluate that position and wonder if the Flash Gordon/space western/swashbuckling adventure vibe of the original film is where it’s at.

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This isn’t “tonal whiplash,” it’s just a normal movie having moments of darkness, moments of humor and comic relief, weird stuff, spectacle, etc. If it took these things out to try to be edgier or more like a comedy it would be worse. It would be like the sanded down, designed by committee, bland movies we have now.

Leia was clearly into it and not forced.

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Oh come on. Both Padme and Leia tell the men to stop. They express affection in extremis but at that point they say no. And it’s really weird in a film about people rebelling against authoritarianism to have “the good guys” ignore verbal barriers. It’s up there with how the slaves and the droids and the child soldiers are handled. It’s kind of weird when you are led to believe you are watching a bit escapism to have these things suddenly slap you in the face.

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The evocation of negative ethnic and cultural stereotypes also (jar) jars. It sort of starts with ROTJ with the Ewoks falling into some of tropes used in Travelogue serials like Tarzan when depicting tribal people eating the civilised. Then you have a mash up of Asian yellow peril tropes used for the trade federation. The Mandarin robes, the slit eyes and big gappy teeth, the faux Japanese accents, the cowardice, the obsession with robots. Watto was apparently based on Alec Guinness’ very problematic depiction of Fagin and Jar-Jar intentionally or not evokes Stepin Fetchit. The Tusken people and the way they are described reference the same John Ford westerns that the charred corpses of Owen and Beru reference but does transposing that sort of language to an extraterrestrial culture cleanse it from it’s prior use to demonise the victims of genocide? You know…for kids

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Wow very, very deep Bingo, to be honest when I watch a movie or a TV show I tend to lose myself in the film if I’m enjoying it to the point of I miss certain things or aspects of the film, example; when I first watched TFA it never even dawned on me that “ohhh another death star” until I watched a YT review. For me Star Wars is an entertaining saga set a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and see the tonal changes as film makers, writers and studio try to keep people happy and by doing so alienating their original Fan base, too dark for younger audiences then watch Skeleton Krew, to much for a younger audience then watch Ashoka, want something darker then it’s Andor. Don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan by any means of what Disney or even Lucas did outside of the OT but gives people more options even tho causing more divide.

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Bingowings said:

The evocation of negative ethnic and cultural stereotypes also (jar) jars. It sort of starts with ROTJ with the Ewoks falling into some of tropes used in Travelogue serials like Tarzan when depicting tribal people eating the civilised. Then you have a mash up of Asian yellow peril tropes used for the trade federation. The Mandarin robes, the slit eyes and big gappy teeth, the faux Japanese accents, the cowardice, the obsession with robots. Watto was apparently based on Alec Guinness’ very problematic depiction of Fagin and Jar-Jar intentionally or not evokes Stepin Fetchit. The Tusken people and the way they are described reference the same John Ford westerns that the charred corpses of Owen and Beru reference but does transposing that sort of language to an extraterrestrial culture cleanse it from it’s prior use to demonise the victims of genocide? You know…for kids

Spot on anylasis. Only thing I’ll add is that allegedly George also had some odd Vietnam allegory thing going on with ROTJ.

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Sounds good on paper until you realise he is comparing the people of Vietnam with diminutive flesh eating monkey bears that worship a gold plated Linguaphone and eat people.

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I think that’s something people emphasize too much. I think the allegory was only supposed to go as far as depicting a local disorganized, technologically less equipped resistance defeating a strong, well organized, well funded, technologically more advanced Empire. I don’t think it was meant to be Vietnam deeper than that. It could have been the USSR and Afghanistan, Rome and Germans or British Celts, France and Algeria, etc. It isn’t meant to literally depict Vietnamese people as Ewoks or be commentary on the Cold War or US Imperialism.

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You guys squirming in your seats because Han was being an Alpha with Leia are pathetic. Seriously. SHE LIKED HIM ALREADY AND WAS VEILING IT BEHIND THE GUISE OF “DOING HER DUTY!” Sheesh. You folks are probably the ones that get uncomfortable when a woman looks too sexy and complain about “over sexualization.” You want everyone to look flabby or skinny. You guys are lame

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“Being an Alpha.” LOL

Regardless, despite being a Post-Modern Neo-Marxist™, I’m inclined towards a more charitable reading of Han’s approach toward Leia. There’s a three-year gap between the first and second movie, three years of a budding romance we don’t get to see. This may be a kink of theirs.

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