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Post #1671814

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Dagenspear
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What do you think of the Sequel Trilogy? - a general discussion thread
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22-Dec-2025, 3:49 PM

JadedSkywalker said:

Yoda was testing Luke in TESB. His being a curmudgeon and strange character was an act. That whole ill tempered gnome thing, Luke was expecting a Jedi Master to not be a little Muppet. Judge me by my size do you, well you should not. For my ally is the force and a powerful ally it is.

The boy has no patience. Much anger in him like his father.

Yoda’s reluctance is in knowing Luke’s nature he is like Anakin. And He says he is too old to begin the training.

Luke is giving a stern warning about the dark side. It did consume his father.

All your life have you looked away, to the future to the horizon. Never your mind on where you were. What you were doing. Adventure. Excitement. A Jedi craves not these things. You a reckless.

And Yoda was right Luke abandons his training, and rushes to face Darth Vader to save Han and Leia and saves no one. He has to be saved by Chewie, Leia and Lando. Vader toys with him like cat with a mouse in that duel on Bespin, Vader could have slain him at any moment. That was not a duel of equals not really, Vader held back. Luke was impelled by his rage and got his butt whooped. Lukes anger and hatred of Vader was based on lie told by Kenobi. Vader betrayed and murdered your father.

So Rey is not Luke in TESB and Luke is not Yoda. Though Disney wanted Kylo to be a wannabe Vader. And you get Imperial Walkers again.

Huh? That’s what I said. In TESB Yoda not training Luke was about Luke, while in TLJ Luke not training Rey was about Luke.

The story structure and basic outline of the situation is mostly the same I think, difference is the characterization.

Luke’s summon to the call to adventure in Star Wars 1977 was Leia’s message from Artoo. What was Rey’s I’m not even certain. Other than Beach Ball 8 having the map to Luke Skywalker. Which they act like was important or something, like Luke was on a search or something to help defeat Kylo and the first order. And he just went to the furthest away planet to die.

Luke’s throwing Anakin’s lightsaber over his shoulder and denying Artoos pleas with Leia’s old message is refusal of the call in the Last Jedi.

What do you think I’m going to do, face down the entire first order with a laser sword. Go Away.

I think you’re speaking more on characterization, not the story and outline structures the characters in.

This has nothing to do with the roles and basic structure of the story that the characters are in. Luke is in a mentor role, doesn’t want to train Rey, is convinced to by an old ally, gives what I think the movie considers training of some sort, Rey goes into a dark side cave and then gets a vision that Luke warns against but she follows into a trap anyway. Like TESB, where Luke comes to Yoda, Yoda doesn’t want to train Luke, is convinced to by an old ally, is working at training Luke, Luke goes into a dark side cave and then after that gets a vision that Yoda warns against but he follows into a trap anyway. Only real difference I think in story structure outline is that what follows is the last act of ROTJ at the end of TLJ.