What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 53

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

Agreed. The EU was more done with George’s permission, rather than something he was actively going out of his way to design or make congruous in any way.

Spartacus01 said:

JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

My philosophy with Star Wars Canon is pretty simple: I consider Canon whatever I like, and I just ignore what I don’t. I don’t care what George thought was Canon, or what Lucasfilm labeled as “C-Canon” or “G-Canon” or “Legends” or whatever. If I like the story, the characters, the way it expands the universe, then it’s Canon to me. Period. And if something feels off, ruins characters, breaks internal logic, or just rubs me the wrong way, I don’t care how official it is. I just mentally toss it out. As simple as that.

So say we all!

Not sure if nowadays we consider the Disney era stuff EU as well but I just couldn’t take those Marvel comics seriously that took place between ANH and TESB. Everybody has a lightsaber, Luke has multiple confrontations with Vader. Total nonsense. There were a lot of problems with the old EU but at least they always knew not to mess with the gaps between ANH & TESB and TESB & ROTJ.

Well there is Splinter of the Mind’s Eye where Luke and Vader first fought, and Luke had a sort of almost romance with Princess Leia. Vader even appears to have fallen in a deep pit and died and he lost an arm.

Then Lucas made the Empire Strikes Back and it’s like Splinter is elseworlds.

Lucas dropped the love triangle between Luke, Han and Leia set up in the first film. And its barely there in deleted scenes for Empire, and when Luke is in the medical center, but Leia obvious falls for Han on the way to cloud city and at Cloud city. Lucas little bandage he put on it in Jedi, making Leia the sister, and making her the other was to this day completely unbelievable to me.

You think Luke is pining for his sister, kisses his sister. Saves her from the death star and is standing at the medal ceremony smiling at her because they were platonic. Its one of Lucas dumbest moves.

Luke’s rotating love interests in between The Last Command and Specter of the Past.

How could the Vong exist and not be a part of the force? When the force exists in all living things and binds the galaxy together.

The Ysalamiri for instance. I reject that as well.

And Kreia’s notion to kill the force. You would end all life in the universe if you could kill the force.

The one thing I don’t like is the prequel then goes and says that Force thing, its not just an energy field that surrounds us and binds the galaxy together. Its midichlorians that teach and speak to the Jedi the will of the force, and also no life can exist without the midichlorians. They are like mitochondria.

Yoda even tells Luke in the Empire that they are luminous beings. Almost chidingly like he is being scolded. You only believe in the physical and what you can see. The force is spiritual. Its energy’s are all around you.

Move that rock and ship its only impossible in your mind.

JadedSkywalker said:

How could the Vong exist and not be a part of the force? When the force exists in all living things and binds the galaxy together.

The Ysalamiri for instance. I reject that as well.

And Kreia’s notion to kill the force. You would end all life in the universe if you could kill the force.

The one thing I don’t like is the prequel then goes and says that Force thing, its not just an energy field that surrounds us and binds the galaxy together. Its midichlorians that teach and speak to the Jedi the will of the force, and also no life can exist without the midichlorians. They are like mitochondria.

Yoda even tells Luke in the Empire that they are luminous beings. Almost chidingly like he is being scolded. You only believe in the physical and what you can see. The force is spiritual. Its energy’s are all around you.

Move that rock and ship its only impossible in your mind.

I think there’s a difference between the Force as a physical phenomena (the psychic powers/telekinesis part) and the spiritual Force as life itself, though they are related. Canon already makes a distinction between the “Living Force” and the “Unifying Force,” which is the kind of divine fate aspect.

And in Kreia’s case that is actually what would happen, which is why she’s the antagonist and you have to take her out at the end of the game. She wants to press what happened to the Exile on all life in the galaxy to give them the opportunity to do what the Exile did and cut themselves off, which would potentially kill everyone and everything.

One of my speculation headcanon ideas is that there could be some hypothetical “electrical” Force that is the spark of life and intelligence, which still animates living things like the Exile, the Vong, the Ysalimiri, and potentially, intelligent droids.