logo Sign In

Post #1666903

Author
oojason
Parent topic
Anyone else totally disregard Leia being Luke's sister?
Link to post in topic
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1666903/action/topic#1666903
Date created
2-Nov-2025, 4:06 PM

JadedSkywalker said:

I was referring to how Obi-Wan did not lie in Star Wars because Darth Vader killed Luke’s father. A young Jedi named Darth Vader who was a pupil of mine before he turned to evil. Helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights, he betrayed and murdered your father.

Now it’s just Kenobi lies all the time. Certain point of view. OH I Never owned a droid, and Yoda was my master wink wink. Except for this guy Gui-Gon. In the prequel he has r4. He does own a droid.

And Anakin never said a thing about wanting his kid to have that Lightsaber he did not even know about Luke’s existence. He knew he a child by Padme that died with her in childbirth. Not Twins.

Yeah, poor Obi-Wan really did get a rough ride through Lucas’ latterly constructed retcons, alterations, inconsistencies, as well as jarring issues with the other later films (and notably the PT movies). For me, to the point where Obi-Wan became a surrogate / proxy as an ‘unreliable narrator’ to cover for Lucas’ later discrepancies and own renowned ‘unreliable narration’.
 

Tosche Station said:

OutboundFlight said:

Had ROTJ stuck to its guns with the original script, either Han’s death or Luke walking away to focus on the Jedi would have made a far stronger conclusion to the triangle.

There’s no evidence of this ‘original script’ existing, other than as deliberate obfuscation cooked-up during EMPIRE to throw the public off-track in regards to where the story was ultimately heading.

Gary Kurtz himself, re ROTJ: '“We had an outline and George changed everything in it,’ Kurtz said. “Instead of bittersweet and poignant he wanted a euphoric ending with everybody happy. The original idea was that they would recover [the kidnapped] Han Solo in the early part of the story and that he would then die in the middle part of the film in a raid on an Imperial base. George then decided he didn’t want any of the principals killed. By that time there were really big toy sales and that was a reason.”

The discussed ending of the film that Kurtz favored presented the rebel forces in tatters, Leia grappling with her new duties as queen and Luke walking off alone “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns,” as Kurtz put it. Kurtz said that ending would have been a more emotionally nuanced finale to an epic adventure than the forest celebration of the Ewoks that essentially ended the trilogy with a teddy bear luau.’
 

^ Sources - with more information and quotes from Gary Kurtz on ROTJ and that early era of the Star Wars Universe, etc…

www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2010/aug/13/return-jedi-alternative-film-endings
www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/hero-complex-blog/story/2010-08-12/did-star-wars-become-a-toy-story-producer-gary-kurtz-looks-back
https://asitecalledfred.com/2010/08/12/gary-kurtz-interview/7/ (in full; across 9 pages of the site)
Gary Kurtz on Return of the Jedi - 4+ minute youtube video interview with Gary Kurtz. From the gordongecko1975 channel.