Toy Story (1995) (Digital Theatrical Reconstruction) (v2.0.1) (Released) — Page 3

UPDATE (13/08/25) Just decided to do the English LD-G now with the Japanese Deluxe LD. Just like the CC, it will be in ASS format.

Sambarker04 said:

bimawen said:

sorry about the double post, not sure how that happened. what are your thoughts on the new toy story film by the way?

Haven’t seen it, though I did hear from some people it’s just a needless cash grab, which shows.

sadly it is true. what was most impressive was the advancement in cgi. but I don’t think the films add anything new to the franchise

UPDATE (16/08/25): This is going to be the last update before I leave for Rhodes on Tuesday. I managed to grab the second Chinese bootleg DVD, though it is the same as the previous, but it looks to have zero reauthoring aside from shrinking to single layer. Thankfully, the subtitles seem to have zero issues since on the first, there would seem to be a small square in on blank spaces between the number of subtitles appearing. This wasn’t the case in the second bootleg, though the size of it is still the same, so I think it was Disney’s doing.

Sambarker04 said:

UPDATE (16/08/25): This is going to be the last update before I leave for Rhodes on Tuesday. I managed to grab the second Chinese bootleg DVD, though it is the same as the previous, but it looks to have zero reauthoring aside from shrinking to single layer. Thankfully, the subtitles seem to have zero issues since on the first, there would seem to be a small square in on blank spaces between the number of subtitles appearing. This wasn’t the case in the second bootleg, though the size of it is still the same, so I think it was Disney’s doing.

I love Rodos; I drove around the island some years back. enjoy your trip

Not an update, but I decided to give you something interesting about the description change. You noticed that the Russian dub used is the “original 2004 version”, and that was because…well let me tell you. Remember when Funimation would redub Dragon Ball Z’s earlier episodes to match the characters’ voices from the Buu arc on the infamous Orange Box sets? Well, Disney did the exact same thing when they did a redub of the Russian dub of Toy Story 1 and 2 in 2009 for the 3D re-release to match the name change from Базз Светик (Buzz Light) to Базз Лайтер (I bet you know what that means) when they dubbed the third film to Russian. I can guess they did that to prevent the similarities with Bud Light (guess where Woody name called Buzz from?) after someone Russian at Disney Character Voices pointed out the obvious. So, as a result, the 2009 re-dub would have the actors come in and re-record lines that contain ‘Светик‘ to replace it with ‘Лайтер’, though Andy and Sid’s lines affected by it were re-recorded by different children, though Konstantin Yefimov (who came in to re-dub Ivan Chaban’s affected lines) did return as Andy as a child in the third film, so that’s interesting. So yeah, just a fun fact to anyone curious. 😉

UPDATE (07/09/2025): And with that…

v2.0 IS FINALLY RELEASED!!!

Like I said, anyone who asks me for PM before this new release will automatically have the links to the new version.

UPDATE (19/09/2025):

v2.0.1 RELEASE

Included the horrendous DTS LD mix from the direct sources using delaycut, then merged using Audacity with the raw data. If anyone wants to listen to it, I’ll PM you the mka file so you can compare the problems yourself.

Sambarker04 said:

stretch009 said:

The 1080p 35mm scan has a AVC bitrate of 25mbps FWIW.

Thanks. I’ve been told the errors weren’t the case as well. In fact, I just received the version.

Unrelated topic but are there ither Disney 35mm scans you ar also working on like oliver and company, rescuers down under, little emrmaid (1989 original 35mm), pocahontas, hunchback of notre dame, hercules and tarzan ?

ForestGWolfy said:

Sambarker04 said:

stretch009 said:

The 1080p 35mm scan has a AVC bitrate of 25mbps FWIW.

Thanks. I’ve been told the errors weren’t the case as well. In fact, I just received the version.

Unrelated topic but are there ither Disney 35mm scans you ar also working on like oliver and company, rescuers down under, little emrmaid (1989 original 35mm), pocahontas, hunchback of notre dame, hercules and tarzan ?

I don’t have copies of those movies, so I wouldn’t do it.

Excellent thread and work on this! You strike me as an expert on these matters, so I wanted to ask you what is meant to be the very original theatrical mix? I’m from the UK and I’ve got the UHD and Blu-ray, the former containing the Atmos track and English Dolby Digital 5.1, the latter a 5.1 DTS-HD mix. The DTS-HD mix, to my ears, sounds incredible, and its frustrating that - like many of the other Pixar films on UHD in the UK - it isn’t included on the 4K. The thing is, I’ve been informed that the Dolby Digital track found on the UHD is supposedly the original theatrical audio track. Maybe I don’t understand, or maybe Disney chose to neuter the audio, but I watched through the film with the DD track and it didn’t sound as robust as the 5.1 or how I would presume such a track as that would sound. So I guess my question is: what is meant to be TS1’s original audio? Is it a 5.1 DD or something else entirely? And if the DD is the original track, is it me or the disc that is resulting in a lesser sound? I have this same issue with a handful of the other Pixar UHD audios, like Monsters Inc., which also has a robust 5.1 on the Blu-ray and not the UHD which contains a 5.1 DD that is likewise meant to be the original theatrical audio. Thanks for any information you can provide!

As far as I’ve been able to make sense of it, the general evolution of its English 5.1 mixes (the sound effects only one notwithstanding) has been something like this:
Dolby Digital 5.1 - the Original Theatrical, continued into the 2000 DVD release
Dolby Digital 5.1 EX (6.1 remix from 2005, 10th Anniversary Edition DVD; now on the UHD)
DTS-HD MA 5.1 ES (2011 Blu-ray / 3D Blu-ray)
DTS-HD MA (2011 Blu-ray)
Dolby Atmos (2019 4K)

Callum N said:

Excellent thread and work on this! You strike me as an expert on these matters, so I wanted to ask you what is meant to be the very original theatrical mix? I’m from the UK and I’ve got the UHD and Blu-ray, the former containing the Atmos track and English Dolby Digital 5.1, the latter a 5.1 DTS-HD mix. The DTS-HD mix, to my ears, sounds incredible, and its frustrating that - like many of the other Pixar films on UHD in the UK - it isn’t included on the 4K. The thing is, I’ve been informed that the Dolby Digital track found on the UHD is supposedly the original theatrical audio track. Maybe I don’t understand, or maybe Disney chose to neuter the audio, but I watched through the film with the DD track and it didn’t sound as robust as the 5.1 or how I would presume such a track as that would sound. So I guess my question is: what is meant to be TS1’s original audio? Is it a 5.1 DD or something else entirely? And if the DD is the original track, is it me or the disc that is resulting in a lesser sound? I have this same issue with a handful of the other Pixar UHD audios, like Monsters Inc., which also has a robust 5.1 on the Blu-ray and not the UHD which contains a 5.1 DD that is likewise meant to be the original theatrical audio. Thanks for any information you can provide!

Interesting. So to give you an idea, Toy Story was in fact originally screened in 5.1 surround using Dolby Digital sound, in fact the 5.1 audio was later preserved when the film came out on LaserDisc in the US and Japan, though it’s pretty obvious that films’ soundtracks at the time would be stored on either 6-track analog tapes or on 16-bit PCM tracks (as with the case for films mastered in CDS such as Terminator 2 and Edward Scissorhands), which is why the Dolby Surround downmixes from the digital PCM track on LD tend to be more crystal clear than Dolby Digital, especially since the film’s audio reels had to be re-captured twice for the DTS LaserDisc and the first DVD releases, since if you sync the LD DD mix or the DTS LD mix to the DVD DD mix or the LD DD, it would start fine until the end where it goes out of sync, especially since I would know analog audio reels were used not just because of it, but also the errors the DTS LD mix. I talked about it in the description, so you can check it out. DTS apparently was designed to be as close to CD audio as possible, hence their logo of “The Digital Experience” using a CD on their symbol and promotional poster. as there are less compression, and it uses 20-bit audio rather than 16-bit that DD and PCM use.

In fact, the DD track from the UHD you were talking about was NOT the original theatrical mix, it is the 2005 remix of the film that you can also find on the BD. I honestly have no idea why Disney or Pixar chose to do that, but my guess was that it was done to match their tradition of their films being mixed to 6.1 (or 5.1 EX) starting with the second film, which is why A Bug’s Life would later get the same treatment when it was first released on Blu-ray.
Here’s a screencap of the DD track from the UHD to give you an idea

To give you an idea (from left to right), these include parts that were added in the new mix. First is an LFE sample of Rex’s foot stomping, Woody’s microphone feedback from the rear channels, the kids cheering when they found out Andy got Buzz, and the footsteps as they head back downstairs. So, if you have the 2000 DVD release, or listened to the Flemish track or the audio description track on the BD, they contain the original theatrical mixes.

Oh wow, that’s all incredibly informative, thank you so much! So basically the Dolby Digital found on the UHD is the 2005 mix, and that 2005 mix is continued on in the DTS-HD tracks found on the first Blu-rays released for the film, e.g the 5.1 DTS-HD track? I suppose my question after this would be (especially as I see a fair amount of folks hemming and hawing about it when asked it), as someone who clearly or at least probably knows what the best audios are in order, is the DTS-HD MA a definite improvement over the Dolby Digital tracks? The answer strikes me as obvious based on the name alone regardless of one’s audio knowledge, but obviously there can always be futzing about happening. Either way, you would expect that '05 mix to sound as great as the DTS-HD; regardless of the format, it seemed to be a fair slight quieter when played at the exact same volume as the DTS-HD. I might just have to sell off the UK 4Ks I got and try get the US ones to retain all the audios I want. You might have something on that also in terms of how loud the tracks are, and if so that’d be incredible.

Callum N said:

Oh wow, that’s all incredibly informative, thank you so much! So basically the Dolby Digital found on the UHD is the 2005 mix, and that 2005 mix is continued on in the DTS-HD tracks found on the first Blu-rays released for the film, e.g the 5.1 DTS-HD track? I suppose my question after this would be (especially as I see a fair amount of folks hemming and hawing about it when asked it), as someone who clearly or at least probably knows what the best audios are in order, is the DTS-HD MA a definite improvement over the Dolby Digital tracks? The answer strikes me as obvious based on the name alone regardless of one’s audio knowledge, but obviously there can always be futzing about happening. Either way, you would expect that '05 mix to sound as great as the DTS-HD; regardless of the format, it seemed to be a fair slight quieter when played at the exact same volume as the DTS-HD. I might just have to sell off the UK 4Ks I got and try get the US ones to retain all the audios I want. You might have something on that also in terms of how loud the tracks are, and if so that’d be incredible.

Thanks. Though I should let you know that the US UHD release is the same as the UK one with the language options, so just to let you know.

Sambarker04 said:

Callum N said:

Oh wow, that’s all incredibly informative, thank you so much! So basically the Dolby Digital found on the UHD is the 2005 mix, and that 2005 mix is continued on in the DTS-HD tracks found on the first Blu-rays released for the film, e.g the 5.1 DTS-HD track? I suppose my question after this would be (especially as I see a fair amount of folks hemming and hawing about it when asked it), as someone who clearly or at least probably knows what the best audios are in order, is the DTS-HD MA a definite improvement over the Dolby Digital tracks? The answer strikes me as obvious based on the name alone regardless of one’s audio knowledge, but obviously there can always be futzing about happening. Either way, you would expect that '05 mix to sound as great as the DTS-HD; regardless of the format, it seemed to be a fair slight quieter when played at the exact same volume as the DTS-HD. I might just have to sell off the UK 4Ks I got and try get the US ones to retain all the audios I want. You might have something on that also in terms of how loud the tracks are, and if so that’d be incredible.

Thanks. Though I should let you know that the US UHD release is the same as the UK one with the language options, so just to let you know.

Ah, yeah I just noticed! Well then I guess its a question of either ramping up the DD 5.1 track to match the loudness of the DTS-HD or paying tons of money for new equipment that will enable me able to sync up different audio separate from the UHD. If you have anything like a visual comparison in Audacity on the difference in volume between the Dolby Digital 5.1 ('05 mix) / DTS-HD / Atmos, that would be awesome and give proper credence to what I’m hearing with the audio being weak, but only if you’re happy to indulge me aha