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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released) — Page 2

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Yeah I'd call this a pretty great restoration project, and although--being the 'pedant' I am--it really isn't the truly "original version," (ie: aforesaid Oola scene, and dialogue change) I can accept it. In fact, the only changes ocpmovie has ever left in throughout these projects have been the only changes you could approve of. Remember the "close the blast doors!" line from ANH?

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Man, 338 thread views in a matter of hours. I feel loved.

>> In fact, the only changes ocpmovie has ever left in throughout these projects have been the only changes you could approve of.


That's the idea. =D

"Close the blast doors!" was in the original mono mix and was in fact (for SWCE) taken from that mono mix, not from the SE!

"It's all right, I can see a lot better" was also in the original 70mm as far as I know, so it stands as perhaps more accurate than "trust me."


ABOUT THE DUAL LAYER:

I plan to mail out dual layer copies in two parts to save money. I'll split the info across two discs, rather than buying expensive dual layer discs. Those getting copies like this will have to burn their own dual layer copies after getting the data.

I hope that's all right. I suppose I'll buy a few proper dual layer discs for the heck of it, but they cost more than I've got.


>> I expect the finished product to be infinitely better than the highly-compressed JPEGs you posted.

We also ran into this problem with Empire. People don't realize how good the film actually looks until they see the parts of the film that HAVEN'T been taken from some ratty old laserdisc. You tell them it's in pure 2004 DVD quality, but the screen grabs you have to post are from laserdisc, for the few shots that aren't from the '04 discs. When they see the real thing, they get it.

That said, I think those screenshots look good. So.


Hey Coov! You rock! All three covers look great! Saves me the work of doing my own. =D Can I see the Photoshop files for those covers? Particularly the "official cover" one? I'd like to see what you've done close up, and maybe work with it further what with the text and all.


>> this horrible movie


I will admit that Jedi is poorly directed (particularly the first section with Jabba), kind of poorly edited and sound designed and a bit of a mess.

But the parts that work are some of the best moments in all three movies. It's an excellent film. Also, it was my favorite when I was a kid. I like it now for completely different reasons. It's certainly Mark Hamill's best performance in any film, and the Emperor/Vader/Luke stuff is amazing, as are the effects in the second Death Star run. Pisses over anything in the prequels, certainly.

Its status as a classic film is made clearer in this edit compared to the 2004, I'll say that.


>> A shame DL versions of the other 2 weren't made.

They didn't have to be - Star Wars was done in a different way which made it not require 2 layers at all.

Empire was only like 5 gigs large, so it didn't have to be released as 2 layers. It would have been a huge waste for zero change in picture quality.

(I did save an Empire double layer actually, it exists somewhere.)


>> What's the sound on this? 5.1 or original PCM?

5.1 mixes weren't done in 1983. As with the others, it's been mixed carefully in stereo.
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Originally posted by: Knolly
Lookin' good! *fingers crossed for a swift post on usenet*


^^definately. soon as it is im getting it down
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thanks again for another wonderful project. cant wait to check this one out.
It was also my fave film as a kid, but as i got older, i drifted towards EMPIRE.
Still got lots of love for Jedi, though.

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I know you've said you prefer to send the dual layer discs out as 2 single layers discs, but many people (me) don't have the technical knowledge (or equipment) to reburn correctly and get the layer breaks right.
Any chance you'll change your mind on that one?

Dr. M

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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I know you've said you prefer to send the dual layer discs out as 2 single layers discs, but many people (me) don't have the technical knowledge (or equipment) to reburn correctly and get the layer breaks right.
Any chance you'll change your mind on that one?


I suppose he would require something extra for that.
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I know you've said you prefer to send the dual layer discs out as 2 single layers discs, but many people (me) don't have the technical knowledge (or equipment) to reburn correctly and get the layer breaks right.
Any chance you'll change your mind on that one?


Yeah same here. I'm completely technicaly inept. I mean how much do those nice duel layer disks cost? If it means that I can just sit down and watch the whole movie without having to switch disks, I'm willing to shell out a little extra $$$ for that.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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Dual layer discs cost about 7 dollars apiece, whereas single layer discs cost about 50 cents apiece. Paying 14 times as much for discs adds up quick, especially since I always lose money and overdraw my bank account whenever I send out discs like this (and my bank charges something like $100 every time I overdraw ... bastards).


Anyway. We'll see.


This is why there is a single layer version. Which most of you will be getting. If I send the dual layer data on two discs, it will NOT be readable in your DVD player directly.


Chapter selection for these discs is identical to the 2004 official releases, for reasons which ought to be obvious.
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Okay, I've thought about the dual layer thing.

Guys, I'm broke. My bank account is overdrawn. I can't afford dual layer discs.

And most people will be getting the single layer anyway.

What I'm thinking is - if I get enough people asking for the dual layer before the disc is released, and I can sustain the demand, I'll see about buying a stack of dual layer discs.

Hm.
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In case anyone cares, you can get Verbatim DL discs for about $2.50 each here.
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I would be willing to paypal you for the costs of the dual layer discs for my copy and shipping, but I can't cover everybody else. Too bad I'm not rich because I would gladly do so for the fan community. Everybody except the seeders should at least pay for the costs of a dual layer and shipping.

“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.

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Ooh. That's a good price.

All right, screw it. I'll order a few dual layer discs. When I get some money in! My bank account is still overdrawn, so it won't be tonight. But soon.

They will count as two discs on the writeup.
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Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Dual layer discs cost about 7 dollars apiece, whereas single layer discs cost about 50 cents apiece. Paying 14 times as much for discs adds up quick, especially since I always lose money and overdraw my bank account whenever I send out discs like this (and my bank charges something like $100 every time I overdraw ... bastards).


Anyway. We'll see.


This is why there is a single layer version. Which most of you will be getting. If I send the dual layer data on two discs, it will NOT be readable in your DVD player directly.


Chapter selection for these discs is identical to the 2004 official releases, for reasons which ought to be obvious.

Originally posted by: ocpmovie
Okay, I've thought about the dual layer thing.

Guys, I'm broke. My bank account is overdrawn. I can't afford dual layer discs.

And most people will be getting the single layer anyway.

What I'm thinking is - if I get enough people asking for the dual layer before the disc is released, and I can sustain the demand, I'll see about buying a stack of dual layer discs.

Hm.


Just a suggestion but why not let the rest of us take the pain and pay for this?

If you were to send 3 (or less) copies (SL or DL) to the Newsgroupers, Spleeners and Pif'ers that would cover 100% of the people who want to see this version you have created at minimum cost to yourself. (I know of one Spleener that could get this off the Newsgroup and posted faster than the mail could deliver!)

All 3 methods work perfectly and everyone here can use at least one of the methods.

I would suggest the same to anyone else doing any project. If someone has done the hard work, why should they pay to let others see it????


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Eh, I can handle it. I've done it how many times before ... the dual layer thing is the main problem because I've never had to deal with that before, but hey, I can handle it. Usually, eventually it works out moneywise ... not at first, but eventually. At first I lose a lot of money and freak out, but gradually things get okay, if enough people order and I just get into the swing of things enough that it overwhelms the initial cost. I don't keep all these blank DVDs around to not be used. =D

I always assume I'll just handle the first wave of trouble, and a few months down the line (MANY months down the line in the case of my releases to date) someone will post them somewhere for people who don't do the mail thing.

I do enjoy sending them out, printing the labels, getting feedback on them and all that. I know that Deleted Magic has been downloaded thousands of times from myspleen, but I got almost no feedback from that, and certainly no sense that people were trying to pay my work back, which I do get from the mail, I get more feedback, more of a personal touch, whether I lose money or not (and I always lose a couple hundred dollars with the big mailings, bigtime). But I still prefer the mail way, I'm used to that and have fun with it, and I know it's the only way I myself would want to get the disc (I wouldn't download 4 gigs via torrent!) ... also I have a HUGE collection of discs and I'm really into copying things.

What I love about the myspleen stuff though is the feeling that soooooooooo many people are getting the disc for free, hopefully with relative ease. The Deleted Magic torrent still seems to be going after such a long time.

Also, with no limits on disc space it's pretty damn ideal for a dual layer release like Jedi - though I hope that people who can only burn single layer know how to shrink a disk down after downloading!



So, let's roll with both methods of distribution.


But please, yes, GET EMPIRE ON MYSPLEEN. I've been waiting for that for a while. =D Also Return of the Ewok. How 'bout Special Edition Hype too, maybe even the Auditions remix ....

There's a point that gets reached after about a month where it's clear that people aren't getting the discs from me anymore, and they need to really be pushed on torrents and the newsgroups to reach that other audience ... because I think it is a different audience, for snail mail, torrents and newsgroups, all different people rely on different means, and when it can get into the hands of slimy dirty bootleggers, there's also the convention crowd, and even the Ebay crowd, where people are getting scammed on prices, but it's reaching a different audience which is nice. When you've worked hard on these things you want to see them gradually reach all the different audiences.

I certainly consider snail mail the first front, as it would be my own choice, and I hear from a lot of people that they would never attempt a big torrent or newsgroup, couldn't get that to work. I know I've never downloaded anything that big via torrent, successfully. Heh. And there are so many dialup users ... you know. There will always be the need for snail versions.
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OCP, you rock! I like the way you handle things (even if things got strange the last time ). I prefer to get the discs in the mail, and it's always fun to have recieved it from the creator. Thanks again!

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Hehehe - thanks Pelle. Thanks for your help with the subtitles too ... guess we'll figure that out ....

Paul --

Sure, send me your stuff, I post other people's choices for covers and labels in the usual place at orangecow.org/starwars. Great stuff from great people to be found within.

I always make sure to do my own disc labels, because I don't usually print out the covers so the disc label is what I'm looking at constantly.

For other releases, we even had some nice disc labels by Coov, but I always did my own first and used them for my own burns. =D


I like the idea that people can pick their own covers, since Star Wars fans are such individuals and want things EXACTLY their own way. (See earlier in this thread, I knew people would slaughter me for Oola, and even Han's line!) I'm the same way - I know exactly what cover I wanted, and usually wound up creating it myself eventually, if no one else made it exactly that way first (certain people, including recently Coov, have a habit of getting it right without my involvement) ... but there are so many great covers and labels that people can choose from, and that's nice.
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Hehehe - thanks Pelle. Thanks for your help with the subtitles too ... guess we'll figure that out ....


About the subtitles, I have no idea what you are talking about... but maybe there is another Pelle around here?

-x- I aim to misbehave -x- www.gamerworld.se -x-

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ocp... just saw Star Wars: Classic ED..... All I have to say is.... THANK you. This is what I'm going to keep until Lucas gets his head out of his ass... This was actually an idea of mine when the SE DVDs came out, just edit out the changes with a different release, but I couldn't have ever (even if I had editting skills) make it as good as you. Thanks again.
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Great job, OCPmovie! I love the previous classic edition discs and am looking forward to seeing the final discs in the set.