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What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 53

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JadedSkywalker said:

Going into the heart of darkness to understand the darkside is exactly what Ulic did. It seems to be something Veitch was interested in, if he used it more than once.

I’m going to infiltrate the Sith from within and slowly walk the path, I won’t fully go over. He gets a taste of power like a drug and it’s so seductive he loses himself. Then he slays his brother, a kinslaying there is no going back from that. Nomi took pity on him and cut him off from the force.

Yoda warned Luke. not to walk the quick and easy path. Forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.

Veitch had it that multiple Jedi attempted to conquer the dark side from within, but none succeeded. Luke didn’t succeed, either, for that matter; he just didn’t lose himself as fully as his predecessors. Veitch even intended Ulic to die unredeemed to show how great a price he paid, though KJA changed that with Redemption. Redemption’s a well-written story, probably Anderson’s best writing in anything ever, but I still feel it undermined the tale Veitch intended to tell.

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EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

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JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

Agreed. The EU was more done with George’s permission, rather than something he was actively going out of his way to design or make congruous in any way.

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JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

My philosophy with Star Wars Canon is pretty simple: I consider Canon whatever I like, and I just ignore what I don’t. I don’t care what George thought was Canon, or what Lucasfilm labeled as “C-Canon” or “G-Canon” or “Legends” or whatever. If I like the story, the characters, the way it expands the universe, then it’s Canon to me. Period. And if something feels off, ruins characters, breaks internal logic, or just rubs me the wrong way, I don’t care how official it is. I just mentally toss it out. As simple as that.

“I know that all of you like to dream about space and are a little bit of envious of us. But you know what? We’re also envious of you. We are exploring space, but it’s only the beginning. Planets and unknown worlds are awaiting you. You will continue to storm the Universe.”

— Yuri Gagarin

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Spartacus01 said:

JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Who insist the Saga was always about the father, the son and grandchildren. And the bending over backwards and stretching things to act like EU wasn’t just a way for George to make lots of money on tie in fiction. That he was in no way beholden to, but could borrow from if he so desired.

I may agree with them on Disney SW to an extent, and even on Filoni retcons and destruction of the EU lore. But to act like the prequel was perfect and also didn’t destroy SW canon is incongruous. And its George’s vision the original must be suppressed, George as godhead in a religion, I reject that.

There was one continuity and canon I’ll admit that before Disney made the Expanded Universe legends. But Lucasfilm always put films and tv projects above video games, comic books and novels.

And George allowed Filoni to do whatever he wanted and to throw out the EU completely. It’s like there were two Star Wars universes before there were three branches, but Filoni was taken up into Disney Star Wars and EU was abandoned, made Legends aka lies, tall tales.

My philosophy with Star Wars Canon is pretty simple: I consider Canon whatever I like, and I just ignore what I don’t. I don’t care what George thought was Canon, or what Lucasfilm labeled as “C-Canon” or “G-Canon” or “Legends” or whatever. If I like the story, the characters, the way it expands the universe, then it’s Canon to me. Period. And if something feels off, ruins characters, breaks internal logic, or just rubs me the wrong way, I don’t care how official it is. I just mentally toss it out. As simple as that.

So say we all!

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JadedSkywalker said:

EU purists who insist it was a part of George’s vision and that the prequel and the EU all fits together as one piece.

Oh my, this. They should familiarize themselves with the historical-critical method and apply it to SW lore.

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Not sure if nowadays we consider the Disney era stuff EU as well but I just couldn’t take those Marvel comics seriously that took place between ANH and TESB. Everybody has a lightsaber, Luke has multiple confrontations with Vader. Total nonsense. There were a lot of problems with the old EU but at least they always knew not to mess with the gaps between ANH & TESB and TESB & ROTJ.

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Well there is Splinter of the Mind’s Eye where Luke and Vader first fought, and Luke had a sort of almost romance with Princess Leia. Vader even appears to have fallen in a deep pit and died and he lost an arm.

Then Lucas made the Empire Strikes Back and it’s like Splinter is elseworlds.

Lucas dropped the love triangle between Luke, Han and Leia set up in the first film. And its barely there in deleted scenes for Empire, and when Luke is in the medical center, but Leia obvious falls for Han on the way to cloud city and at Cloud city. Lucas little bandage he put on it in Jedi, making Leia the sister, and making her the other was to this day completely unbelievable to me.

You think Luke is pining for his sister, kisses his sister. Saves her from the death star and is standing at the medal ceremony smiling at her because they were platonic. Its one of Lucas dumbest moves.

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JadedSkywalker said:

Well there is Splinter of the Mind’s Eye where Luke and Vader first fought, and Luke had a sort of almost romance with Princess Leia. Vader even appears to have fallen in a deep pit and died and he lost an arm.

Some fans posit that the Vader Luke and Leia fought in the Temple of Pomojema was a spectre created by the Kaiburr Crystal rather than the real Vader. Think Luke’s vision of Vader in the cave on Dagobah dialled up to 11. Obviously that wasn’t what Alan Dean Foster had in mind when writing the novel, but it’s the only real way you can integrate SOTME and TESB in the same continuity holistically.

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