I’m not talking about your personal anecdotes or you personally, I’m talking about a general trend. I have my own anecdote where I showed family members all six movies for the first time in release order, and they both liked the original trilogy more, and had basically all the same criticisms people had of the prequels when they first came out, with the notable exception that they loved Jar Jar. If there are people who like them after seeing them for the first time, that doesn’t say how much they like them, why they like them, or whether they have any taste in movies. Some people just like anything that has a lot of spectacle.
Not speaking personally either. This is a thing that has happened. People watch these movies, reaction videos are out there. It’s public.
I didn’t talk about people liking the OT better or not. I’m not doing a tit for that about the adoration of one over the other.
Or maybe, instead of some people liking anything that has a lot of spectacle, maybe some fans who watched them over-reacted to their issues and resort to dismissing others and their tastes as “interest in spectacle”, rather than having the perception that their own opinion isn’t the only way to view the movies.
I looked it up again and this is the direct quote:
“Mace: Do you think these cloners are involved in the plot to assassinate Senator Amidala?
Obi-Wan: No, Master, there appears to be no motive.
Yoda: Do not assume anything, Obi-Wan. Clear, your mind must be, if you are to discover the real villains behind this plot.”They easily count as “involved in the plot”, and you can put together that assassinating an anti-war figure while creating an army seems like a pretty clear motive. The reason for starting a war would be more ambiguous (you might suspect it’s arms dealers for example), but starting a war is clearly what the “real villains” want, and the cloners are clearly “involved” with that. I guess if you’re taking it strictly literally then all the Kaminoans themselves want is money, yes, but they’re still a part of the plot.
I think you’re reading into the line, when I think it means if they’re the ones who did or have a hand in it. Either way, it doesn’t effect anything, as they have no motive, because in the movies it’s never developed they have any knowledge on it. Criticize it as a point if you want, but if they investigated they’d have nothing.
The Jedi could do something about it and find proof, but they never do. Even in EU material and TCW, they don’t even try, maybe because it would be too obvious and make the plot unravel. There were parts in Revenge of the Sith where they discuss who Sifo Dyas was and what exactly happened, but they were cut for time. It just seems like it should be a much bigger priority and something they could check on.
I pointed out that I criticize that. But I don’t agree that they could simply find proof all by itself.
For the Han Solo/Anakin stuff I have to conclude that you don’t have very much real life experience with certain social situations and dynamics. The stereotypes are based on real things that happen, which is why one strikes people as plausible and engaging and the other strikes people as uncomfortable and bizarre. This even goes across cultural boundaries - I was reading a manga from the 2000s the other day where the author joked about how there was no way Padme would fall for Anakin. There’s modern day criticism that Han is being too aggressive in the kissing scene on the Falcon, but it’s not because the characters are written or portrayed unrealistically, it’s more about the cultural messaging it has. Their bickering, banter, back and forth snipping, etc. are a kind of flirting.
Some fans try to belittle others just because someone disagrees with them about these movies, don’t they? Even though I said that I think similarly that Han and Leia is stronger written, you take such issue with it. Stereotypes mean nothing to this, neither does beleivability. Some women/men become obsessed with serial killers and like reylo in real life (and like Anakin and Padme as well as a romance), this means nothing to writing quality of the relationship in the movie, which I think similarly in that it was weaker written than the relationship in TESB. It doesn’t matter to me, as I criticized characters coming off as creepy and whiny and complaining, not about realism.