Leia remembering her mother. Obi-Wan’s teacher being Yoda. No mention of Qui-Gon. Anakin was supposed to be a good friend and star pilot. Who was slowly seduced to evil. There was no learn the dark side to save Padme.
Those bother me.
And i know you covered them.
Yeah, much of what you mention above are the things many fans had been looking to seeing in the Prequels… and yet there was little-to-nothing there - or simply contradicted those statements in the OT.
Or what we had learnt from the official EU material and various releases - with snippets of extra information over the years…
True, however, I think that quote is simply being used as a bullet point heading. In 1977 Vader was not Anakin so the problem is a post ESB one. Obi-wan isn’t shocked to see his friend on the Death Star because his old pupil was always just Darth Vader. Once he’s changed to be Luke’s father in 1980 there are more gaps to fill. Obviously there have been further retcons since and they meet in a TV series.
I don’t think the quote was simply being used as a bullet point, as OP made a specific entry for it. Point 14 already addressed what you’re saying about Obi-Wan and Vader, so there was no need to add point 15 unless it was to talk about that particular quote.
And since I’ve already seen the quote used incorrectly a few times (for example, I remember seeing people use it to justify Obi-Wan and Vader meeting in the Kenobi show, because “how could Obi-Wan know Vader’s more machine than man at the beginning of ANH?”), I just wanted to point it out.
By the way, I’m not trying to defend the many inconsistencies that exist between the OT and PT, it’s usually the thing that annoys me the most about the franchise!The quote was indeed used as a bullet point, as far as I can remember (it was written / compiled some time ago) 😉.
The intent / context was ‘how does Obi Wan know Anakin is Vader’ and the evil and twisted exploits being carried out by Vader. It wasn’t meant as a literal Kenobi comparison quote from ROTJ - because as everyone knows… Kenobi has already fought him on the first Death Star (though as Mocata stated above, at the time of Star Wars '77, Anakin and Vader were indeed two completely separate characters; I never like to miss a relevant opportunity to bring that up). 👍
I probably shouldn’t have used a literal ROTJ quote for that bullet point if it somehow led people to mistakenly jump on that - seemingly the context and relevance of that bullet point post got lost in using that ROTJ quote to try and illustrate that aspect of the actual topic; plus the ‘best guess’ scenario as Obi-Wan may have heard news and rumours about Vader and his exploits whilst living in hiding - yet was unable to do anything about it. My apologies for any confusion.
It is also probably worth remembering this is an ‘unfinished draft’ - as stated in the opening sentence of the thread (and it was really never finished; only really being posted ‘as is’) - which is also highlighted later in the thread, too.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone complaining about that.
It really isn’t ‘complaining’ to chronicle and highlight issues that fans had with the disconnects and issues between the Original Trilogy and the Prequels, is it?
Hope you enjoyed the rest of it - if there are any issues with the other categories please let me know. 👍
Also I want to point out that English isn’t my first language so maybe sometimes I don’t use the right words in the right places. However, I just looked up ‘complaining’ on the online Cambridge Dictionary to be sure, and the definition is “the act of saying that something is wrong or not satisfactory”. So it seems to apply here.
I think context is always important - this thread is merely chronicling those discrepancies or jarring issues etc - not really forming a judgement on them. For example, if there was a similar thread highlighting the discrepancies and contradictions between ‘2003 Clone Wars’ and ‘2008 The Clone Wars’… it wouldn’t be complaining - it would merely be highlighting those differences.
Like I said, one of the aspects of Star Wars I’m most fascinated (and frustrated) by is the discrepancies between the two trilogies. So, even though there were some things I didn’t agree with, I very much enjoyed your post.
👍. If you think of any more discrepancies / jarring issues etc please post them up.
True, however, I think that quote is simply being used as a bullet point heading. In 1977 Vader was not Anakin so the problem is a post ESB one. Obi-wan isn’t shocked to see his friend on the Death Star because his old pupil was always just Darth Vader. Once he’s changed to be Luke’s father in 1980 there are more gaps to fill. Obviously there have been further retcons since and they meet in a TV series.
I thought I’d replied to your post - though obviously didn’t (apologies!)…
Yeah, you’re spot on - it was just a bullet-point. With a nod in the main text to Vader being a pupil of Kenobi’s - before the later retcons.
I think #15 was meant to be a contrast to #14 (sort of a two-part category) - though never got around to finishing it. Oh, well. 👍