thank you very much Moth3r for replying,and yes it is NTSC DV from a canopus ADVC-110,i am trying to get the same kind of results Citizen is getting,now i know he is using PAL source but other than that we almost have the same equipment.
i think i might have finally figured out CCE,but not 100% sure,i have been running some tests, and to be honost, so far TMPGEnc Plus is giving me better looking results,now i know this has to be wrong, so i must still have some learning to do with CCE LOL.
thanks again Moth3r for your help and i hope you and your family have a safe and Merry Christmas
DJ