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Let's hear them, people....
Let's hear them, people....
How did you imagine the Emperor taking over?
Let's hear them, people....
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It was probably along the lines of something I imagined, but maybe never imagined he be would responsible for insitigating the Clone Wars and was pleasently surprised, the bit of a dissapointment i had was the way his looks changed to his Return of the Jedi look, i thought i would be him ageing naturally or more likely through the Darkside rather than an lighting thrown back in his face.
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Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
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One of my arguements with the PT is that in the short timeframe of the three films Lucas tried to show too much and put too much of the focus on the politics. It just seemed rushed to me- Senator to Chancellor to Emporer... I would have liked to have more of a feeling of the *history* of it all. As it plays out they *mention* Jedi history but don't really get into it and the Republic is painted to be essentially a normally operating government that one creepy guy can undermine with a few choice words here and there. Also like I mentioned the connections between characters in the PT just served to shrink the SW Universe in my mind- I saw no reason (plot wise or logically) that Palpatine had to be from the same planet as Padme in a similar way to whyever Anakin had to be on Tatooine and have created C3PO... what are there like 3 whole planets in the Republic?
And I'm not trying to start a big PT dispute, just stating what I would have liked to have seen.
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Originally posted by: maddog00
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Yeah, when I saw that happen in the theater I shouted out, "Weak!"
Come on. There had to have been a better way of explaining what happend to him. Or just left him alone. The way he looks in ROTJ, I just assumed that is what old age and a life time of using the Dark Side does to someone. Sure you have UNLIMITED POWER!! but you also loose everything else. He became the ugly that he was.
Force lightning melting is face? He should have just shouted out then, "I'm melting! MELTING!! What a world, what a world..."
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Yeah, when I saw that happen in the theater I shouted out, "Weak!"
Come on. There had to have been a better way of explaining what happend to him. Or just left him alone. The way he looks in ROTJ, I just assumed that is what old age and a life time of using the Dark Side does to someone. Sure you have UNLIMITED POWER!! but you also loose everything else. He became the ugly that he was.
Force lightning melting is face? He should have just shouted out then, "I'm melting! MELTING!! What a world, what a world..."
Originally posted by: maddog00
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Although, I didn't like the way the Emperor became old, as mentioned. Force lightning against himself. Pshaw.
Yeah, when I saw that happen in the theater I shouted out, "Weak!"
Come on. There had to have been a better way of explaining what happend to him. Or just left him alone. The way he looks in ROTJ, I just assumed that is what old age and a life time of using the Dark Side does to someone. Sure you have UNLIMITED POWER!! but you also loose everything else. He became the ugly that he was.
Force lightning melting is face? He should have just shouted out then, "I'm melting! MELTING!! What a world, what a world..."
Same here.....I thought it was weak as hell. I figured that the Emperor looked that way cuz that's what happens to you after you use the dark side your whole life.
And if you recall when Vader was unmasked, Sebastian Shaw's face was that ghostly grey just like the Emperor's was, so I thought that was what happened. The dark side takes its toll on you physically.
It was such no brainer and hella cool to have it that way. Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
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Fighting the frizzies, at 11.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
I really, really don't think that's the case. No offense, but it just sounds a little silly to me to say that the creator of a universe doesn't know his own universe well.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
Just further proof that not only does Lucas not have a clue about his own creation, but he just doesn't care either.
I really, really don't think that's the case. No offense, but it just sounds a little silly to me to say that the creator of a universe doesn't know his own universe well.[/q
I agree....it does sound silly as all hell....but it's true. There more than a few examples in the PT in relation to the OT.
One quick example...
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
More tomorrow...I gotta run.
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
I agree. The way Obi-Wan talks about Anakin he was impressed with him from the beginning. He plainly says so himself.
Lucas could have easily have had Obi-Wan like Anakin as much as Qui-Gon did. Hell, we could have done with out Qui-Gon all together and have Obi-Wan be like, "Wow! Check out this guy! He rocks! I am soooo training him!"
But, no, Lucas decided to ignore his own writing from 20 years before.
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
I agree. The way Obi-Wan talks about Anakin he was impressed with him from the beginning. He plainly says so himself.
Lucas could have easily have had Obi-Wan like Anakin as much as Qui-Gon did. Hell, we could have done with out Qui-Gon all together and have Obi-Wan be like, "Wow! Check out this guy! He rocks! I am soooo training him!"
But, no, Lucas decided to ignore his own writing from 20 years before.
Originally posted by: Cable-X1
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
In the OT, it seems to me that Obi-Wan really believed in Anakin when he first met him...."When I first met your father, I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi."
Interpretation be damned.....that's pretty straightforward there. Obi-Wan met Anakin, was impressed and trained him.
In the PT, Obi-Wan didn't seem to impressed by Anakin. He was against having him trained, for crying out loud.
For me, that definitely calls into question, Lucas' familiarity with his own material.
I agree. The way Obi-Wan talks about Anakin he was impressed with him from the beginning. He plainly says so himself.
Lucas could have easily have had Obi-Wan like Anakin as much as Qui-Gon did. Hell, we could have done with out Qui-Gon all together and have Obi-Wan be like, "Wow! Check out this guy! He rocks! I am soooo training him!"
But, no, Lucas decided to ignore his own writing from 20 years before.
Exactly.....there are more examples too. It justs comes off like Lucas didn't watch his own movies...or just didn't care to even stay in line with what he already did.
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War does not make one great.
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Originally posted by: Yoda Is Your Father
I never considered it. I just assumed he would already be Emperor at the start of Episode 1, and things would be slowly getting worse and worse under his control, setting things up nicely for A New Hope (as I am forced to call it these days). I didn't expect him to have a major role in the prequels.
I never considered it. I just assumed he would already be Emperor at the start of Episode 1, and things would be slowly getting worse and worse under his control, setting things up nicely for A New Hope (as I am forced to call it these days). I didn't expect him to have a major role in the prequels.
Like I saw it. There was just no need that I see for a political 'drama' in an action/adventure piece. Perhaps if they would have made three great prequels and *then* did a made-for-cable documentary about the Emperor's rise to power. Kinda Ken Burns style possibly... that could have been cool.
And yes- I too get the heeby-jeebies when I have to call 'Star Wars' by the new subtitle 'A New Hope'... talk about a pun getting a life of its own! Sheesh.
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Originally posted by: greencapt
And yes- I too get the heeby-jeebies when I have to call 'Star Wars' by the new subtitle 'A New Hope'... talk about a pun getting a life of its own! Sheesh.
And yes- I too get the heeby-jeebies when I have to call 'Star Wars' by the new subtitle 'A New Hope'... talk about a pun getting a life of its own! Sheesh.
Now seriously, and I hate to sound like an ass, but why do you hate calling it by its proper title of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope? Calling it "Star Wars" would seem a little all-encompassing, don't you think?
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I call it Star Wars out of habit and its way i prefer to call it and i do it everywhere and it doesnt seem to bother hardly anyone else.
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
LOL... kids these days. Uh, you see there was, once upon a time, a time in which you could say the title 'Star Wars' and people knew you were referring to just that- the film that was released in theaters that was titled 'Star Wars'- that WAS its proper title. That's what it was released under and that's what it was referred to. The name kept kept bulkier and bulkier with every permutation.
And Mr. Bungle I agree that many of my friends know what I'm talking about when I say 'Star Wars' but not only do many of those friends now have kids who, after being introduced to the SW 'empire' of products that now exist, have no idea what you're talking about when you just refer to the first film- 'Star Wars' as just that. That said the general public doesn't give a rat's patoot whether its 'Star Wars', 'A New Hope', 'Star Trek', 'Xena' or whatever... most folks just hear 'sci-fi' and tune out.
And adam, check out the IMDB page for 'Star Wars' for all the exciting name changes:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/
Star Wars (1977)
Also Known As:
Adventures of the Starkiller: Episode 1 - The Star Wars (USA) (original script title)
Guerra de las estrellas, La (USA: Spanish title)
Star Wars IV: A New Hope (USA) (video box title)
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (USA) (reissue title (new title))
Originally posted by: greencapt
And yes- I too get the heeby-jeebies when I have to call 'Star Wars' by the new subtitle 'A New Hope'... talk about a pun getting a life of its own! Sheesh.
Now seriously, and I hate to sound like an ass, but why do you hate calling it by its proper title of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope? Calling it "Star Wars" would seem a little all-encompassing, don't you think?
And yes- I too get the heeby-jeebies when I have to call 'Star Wars' by the new subtitle 'A New Hope'... talk about a pun getting a life of its own! Sheesh.
Now seriously, and I hate to sound like an ass, but why do you hate calling it by its proper title of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope? Calling it "Star Wars" would seem a little all-encompassing, don't you think?
LOL... kids these days.
Uh, you see there was, once upon a time, a time in which you could say the title 'Star Wars' and people knew you were referring to just that- the film that was released in theaters that was titled 'Star Wars'- that WAS its proper title. That's what it was released under and that's what it was referred to. The name kept kept bulkier and bulkier with every permutation.And Mr. Bungle I agree that many of my friends know what I'm talking about when I say 'Star Wars' but not only do many of those friends now have kids who, after being introduced to the SW 'empire' of products that now exist, have no idea what you're talking about when you just refer to the first film- 'Star Wars' as just that. That said the general public doesn't give a rat's patoot whether its 'Star Wars', 'A New Hope', 'Star Trek', 'Xena' or whatever... most folks just hear 'sci-fi' and tune out.
And adam, check out the IMDB page for 'Star Wars' for all the exciting name changes:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/
Star Wars (1977)
Also Known As:
Adventures of the Starkiller: Episode 1 - The Star Wars (USA) (original script title)
Guerra de las estrellas, La (USA: Spanish title)
Star Wars IV: A New Hope (USA) (video box title)
Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (USA) (reissue title (new title))
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I thought that Ep1 was going to be a lot more political - I seem to remember Terence Stamp, the actor who played Challecor Vallorum in Ep 1, sometime after the cinematic release stating that the many of the scenes he filmed with others didn't make it to the film...
Maybe 20 years from now people will be talking about a 'Lost Cut' of Episode 1 - but I doubt it somehow... a shame, it could have given the many talented Fan Editors something more to work with...
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Originally posted by: Han Solo VS Indiana Jones
I imagined the Emperor taking over by combining the seductive power of chocolate and... cheese.
I imagined the Emperor taking over by combining the seductive power of chocolate and... cheese.
"UNLIMITED CONNNNSTIIIPAAATTTTIOONNNNNNN!!!!"
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It would be the acquisition of Vader that would make the Empire the greatest power in the galaxy.
Episode 1: Ancient history, the old republic, the jedi order
Episode 2: The clone wars, Obi-wan and Anakin first meet, Anakin begins his training. Yoda is mentioned but not shown.
Episode 3: Anakin becomes Darth Vader, the emperor uses him as his harbinger and takes over the greater galaxy
Or however it was in the EU, i havent read it
I want to though///