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What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 52

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darklordoftech said:

Spartacus01 said:

darklordoftech said:

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Why do you hate it? I do not mind it.

Why would the New Republic establish a new year 0? Isn’t that something totalitarian regimes do? Why not use whatever year 0 the Valorum-era Republic used?

The New Republic did not see itself as just a continuation of the Old Republic; it saw itself as a major improvement, something new and better. The Old Republic, especially in its final years, was bloated, bureaucratic, and too weak to prevent the rise of Palpatine. So from the New Republic’s point of view, there was no reason to go back to that exact model. Therefore, creating a new calendar, with a new Year 0, was a symbolic way of saying, “This is a fresh start.” It helped to draw a clear line between what came before — the corruption of the late Republic, the dark times of the Empire — and what they hoped to build. And if you think about it, choosing their Year 0 around the time of the first real victory against the Empire makes emotional sense too. That moment was not just a military victory; it was the first time in years that people across the galaxy had real hope. From the New Republic’s perspective, that hope was the foundation of everything they were trying to build. So starting a new calendar from that moment sends a message: “This is when things began to change.”

“I know that all of you like to dream about space and are a little bit of envious of us. But you know what? We’re also envious of you. We are exploring space, but it’s only the beginning. Planets and unknown worlds are awaiting you. You will continue to storm the Universe.”

— Yuri Gagarin

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darklordoftech said:

Spartacus01 said:

darklordoftech said:

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Why do you hate it? I do not mind it.

Why would the New Republic establish a new year 0? Isn’t that something totalitarian regimes do? Why not use whatever year 0 the Valorum-era Republic used?

My problem is that the Battle of Endor makes a more logical start for a Year 0 than the Battle of Yavin.

Gods for some, miniature libertarian socialist flags for others.

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Superweapon VII said:

darklordoftech said:

Spartacus01 said:

darklordoftech said:

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Why do you hate it? I do not mind it.

Why would the New Republic establish a new year 0? Isn’t that something totalitarian regimes do? Why not use whatever year 0 the Valorum-era Republic used?

My problem is that the Battle of Endor makes a more logical start for a Year 0 than the Battle of Yavin.

Yeah, that actually makes a lot more sense. The battle saw the Emperor and Vader die, the destruction of a substantial part of the Imperial Navy, and the Empire was left without a centralized power. It makes more sense to declare that the start of the “new era.” IIRC, there’s been some new canon books that talk about an in-universe debate over BBY/ABY dates.

It still makes more sense than Stardates.

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I think Star Dates contain meta-information about the actual episode or season number, IIRC. But I doubt they were ever used consistently. In reality, an actual inter-stellar calendar system would have to somehow compensate for the bizarre, counter-intuitive fact about our Universe that “now” is a subjective concept entirely dependent on the location and speed of an observer.

Anyway, yeah the Battle of Endor makes more sense logically as a starting point for the new calendar. From an in-Universe perspective, I don’t know when the new dating system officially began. Was it established immediately after the Battle of Yavin (perhaps partially as a propaganda tool for the Rebellion) or did they think of it later and then retroactively apply it backwards to begin at Yavin? Who knows, I doubt any canonical source addresses the issue. In any case, real world calendars are often conceived of after the fact and then applied retroactively to some past duration of time. Perhaps in retrospect, the Rebels came to believe that the Battle of Yavin was like a “sacred turning point” in their favored historical narrative, and so they chose that as “Year 0”.

Obviously, the real world explanation is that Star Wars 1977 is where it all began. I’ve also seen newer timelines from official Disney material that use Episode 7 and the destruction of Starkiller base as the start of a new dating system or reference point. (bleh…) It’s like the Disney “regime” took some cues from actual dictators and rewrote (fictional) history to center around a new favored cult of personality.

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Channel72 said:

I think Star Dates contain meta-information about the actual episode or season number, IIRC. But I doubt they were ever used consistently. In reality, an actual inter-stellar calendar system would have to somehow compensate for the bizarre, counter-intuitive fact about our Universe that “now” is a subjective concept entirely dependent on the location and speed of an observer.

Anyway, yeah the Battle of Endor makes more sense logically as a starting point for the new calendar. From an in-Universe perspective, I don’t know when the new dating system officially began. Was it established immediately after the Battle of Yavin (perhaps partially as a propaganda tool for the Rebellion) or did they think of it later and then retroactively apply it backwards to begin at Yavin? Who knows, I doubt any canonical source addresses the issue. In any case, real world calendars are often conceived of after the fact and then applied retroactively to some past duration of time. Perhaps in retrospect, the Rebels came to believe that the Battle of Yavin was like a “sacred turning point” in their favored historical narrative, and so they chose that as “Year 0”.

Obviously, the real world explanation is that Star Wars 1977 is where it all began. I’ve also seen newer timelines from official Disney material that use Episode 7 and the destruction of Starkiller base as the start of a new dating system or reference point. (bleh…) It’s like the Disney “regime” took some cues from actual dictators and rewrote (fictional) history to center around a new favored cult of personality.

Yeah I think this is correct. They either applied it retroactively or they jumped the gun and decided it was the most important thing ever before they knew an even bigger victory was a few years away.

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The different variants for the comics do we really need 3 different versions of Empire Strikes Back. the Dark horse colors in the Omnibus six volume, the original colors in facsimile in original Marvel years. Plus the all new stand alone remastered version. Plus there are 3 different versions of Jedi and 2 of the Roy Thomas comic.

Because the omnibus is the 1997 special edition comic and they didn’t even include the original comic.

Wait I mean 4 versions because you also have the black and white edition scanned from the original art which is very much out of print for the Roy Thomas Star Wars comic, and the Al Williamson The Empire Strikes Back.

And not even getting into variant covers for the hardbacks and the fact they have like 5 different covers per issue of some of their comics.

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I really hate the Dark Empire plot. It was the one thing I was happy to have gone when Disney took over…

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davidt0504 said:

I really hate the Dark Empire plot. It was the one thing I was happy to have gone when Disney took over…

Too bad they repeated that same plot in The Rise of Skywalker, with the only difference being that, at least, in Dark Empire they tried to explain how the hell Palpatine managed to come back, whereas in The Rise of Skywalker they did not explain anything.

“I know that all of you like to dream about space and are a little bit of envious of us. But you know what? We’re also envious of you. We are exploring space, but it’s only the beginning. Planets and unknown worlds are awaiting you. You will continue to storm the Universe.”

— Yuri Gagarin

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The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. They literally quoted Palpatine from Revenge of the Sith.

Rey was the daughter of his clone. His clone had no force powers and was a disappointment.

how he was able to transfer his soul into another dying clone, and maintain his midichlorians they never explain.

there is no way his body survived the death stars explosion or falling into a reactor. It’s absurd even for Star Wars.

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Spartacus01 said:

davidt0504 said:

I really hate the Dark Empire plot. It was the one thing I was happy to have gone when Disney took over…

Too bad they repeated that same plot in The Rise of Skywalker, with the only difference being that, at least, in Dark Empire they tried to explain how the hell Palpatine managed to come back, whereas in The Rise of Skywalker they did not explain anything.

Exactly. Honestly, I enjoyed both TFA and TLJ decently enough, but my one hold out was how they would wrap it up with the yet unannounced IX. As soon as I heard “the laugh” at the end of the first trailer/teaser my heart dropped.

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Dark Empire was pretty basic and occasionally silly, a newer full movie version could have worked if it was more complex instead of dumber.

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My biggest problem with Dark Empire is that Luke’s plan works. It’s an understandable error for a hero to want to infiltrate and sabotage the enemy from the inside. It’s understandable why that’s a bad idea when the dark side is involved. But it basically does everything it was supposed to with no lasting consequences. He gets the world devastators shut off and saves everyone. Then when he would go evil, Leia saves him and he’s fine. It trivializes the whole concept of turning to the dark side and makes the Emperor look idiotic for gambling everything on trying to turn Luke twice in a row.

I think Timothy Zahn noticed it and tried to retcon in the idea that there were lasting effects. I think it’s in Vision of the Future. Mara Jade tells Luke that there’s always been something off about him ever since those events and it affected his judgment during a lot of the other EU stories.

Still though Luke’s plan seems like it was the only way out of that situation, at least in the short term when Palpatine had everyone dead to rights.

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My biggest problem with Dark Empire is the fact that it exists.

“I know that all of you like to dream about space and are a little bit of envious of us. But you know what? We’re also envious of you. We are exploring space, but it’s only the beginning. Planets and unknown worlds are awaiting you. You will continue to storm the Universe.”

— Yuri Gagarin

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I was going to say how the color person ruined excellent pencils/inking with that “esoteric” color scheme in Dark Empire.

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Spartacus01 said:

My biggest problem with Dark Empire is the fact that it exists.

100%! It destroys the narrative core of the original saga.