I’ve collected a good amount of feedback for my twilight of the apprentice overhaul but haven’t had much time to implement it yet!

That episode is going to go HARD once it’s complete and I’m very excited to share it when it’s ready 😃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGtjNlTxlI

Someone made an AI video right after the twilight of the apprentice episode of Vader having a brief discussion with the emperor. I wonder if this can be animated by someone to be incorporated into the Rebels series. I know that would be highly unlikely though.

Its definitely a cool concept! A fun watch for sure!

Although even if animated to fit the rebels style, it’d break the flow and feeling of the episodes ending.

My biggest problem with the video is the tiny little Palpy! It seems plausible that he’d talk to Vader like that… But I think it’s silly 😂

Acbagel said:

Everyone, get hyped for the Twilight of the Apprentice update! I’ve seen the draft version and it’s absolutely a gamechanger for elevating the content. Can’t wait for you all to see it too!

It’s gonna be great once I’ve given it that extra polish! 😄

Also g00b, what do you think about replacing the dialogue of Mon Mothma’s speech in S3E18 (not sure where in your series that falls) with the speech from Andor last night? There’s an odd lack of continuity between them now, but I don’t think it would be too hard to bring the Andor audio into that holotransmission to fix that!

Lucky for this edit, I’ve cut that episode entirely! And now the latest sets of Andor episodes, it really doesn’t need to be included at all. Overall that episode didn’t do much to continue the plot for the main crew and you really don’t feel it’s loss in my edit either! haha

Acbagel said:

Also g00b, what do you think about replacing the dialogue of Mon Mothma’s speech in S3E18 (not sure where in your series that falls) with the speech from Andor last night? There’s an odd lack of continuity between them now, but I don’t think it would be too hard to bring the Andor audio into that holotransmission to fix that!

I could be misremembering, but I thought the speech in the Senate was meant to be different than the speech that was broadcast throughout the galaxy. In Andor, I think it was Kleya who said that Mon Mothma was going to be picked up by the Ghost crew and they were going to “rewrite the story of Mothma’s defection and make it into a rallying cry”, which is the speech that was shown in Rebels. With that, there should be very little continuity errors because they were meant to be two separate speeches.

There are two speeches. Zeb is watching the one from the Senate with Imperial commentary on Chopper, this is the same one as the one in Andor.

The second speech is the one where she calls the Rebels together and is only in the Rebels episode but is the one they talk about having her make at the end of Andor.

As the speech from the Senate in Rebels is framed with Imperial commentary it is either the end of her speech we didn’t hear as the power was cut or an Imperial edit put out to try take control of the narrative. Either way, it isn’t a live version of what was made in Andor.

It’s also possible it’s a direct retcon between the animation and live action in the same way Hera is suddenly 50cm taller or Mon has a different haircut but it’s still possible to just see it as different parts of the same event with only minor mental gymnastics.

I honestly think some minimal crossover hereight just work.

I’ve given the rebels speech more thought and I think it makes perfect sense without editing! (Not that it’s in my edit)

What we’re seeing in Rebels is the propagandised version of Mons speech. That’s why the speech is more about slandering the Emperor then defending the people of Gormon.

I’ll ignore Gilroy’s comments (that may be the writers reason for changing it but that doesn’t mean it’s be the lore reason). The Empire wanted to shut down Mons speech in the senate… So why would they rebroadcast it later? Because word got out about what she said, so they changed it to seem more like a baseless attack on Palpatine! Its 5D gaslighting on a galactic scale…

Thought I’d share this thought! Haha

Really looking forward to this

I’ve started rendering Twilight of the Apprentice. It wont be long now until you all can see it! 😄

RELEASED S02E12 - Twilight of the Apprentice V4.1

Downloads

• 4K recolor: rendering
• 1080p recolor: available
• 1080p: available
• Subtitles: available

Changes

• Altered the Intro text slightly - Thanks for the suggestions here AcBagel!
• ADD: 00:12.00 Adjusted the Intro Text timing to allow better time to read it - Thanks TheDimitrios and AcBagel for this suggestion.
• recolored essentially the whole episode (not quite but mostly).
• Fixed all previous audio issues.
• Recolor graded pretty much the entire episode (I only didn’t touch the Atollon shots at the very end)
• rescored the opening with Stranded on Peragus from KOTOR2 - it fits the mood and completely covers any of the cuts I’d made. It also has the right amount of happy but unsettling to it’s sound.
• Added SFX for Rex Hologram shutting off as it was weirdly absent
• CUT 01:22:08 - 01:24:12 - REX: I can be there in two rotations.
• CUT 01:46:00 - 1:50:09 - AHSOKA: There’s always a bit of truth in legends.
• CUT 02:01:07 - 02:02:23 - AHSOKA: Knowledge.
• REPLACED: 01:49:07 - 01:50:22 with frames & audio from previously cut shot.
• CUT 01:58:14 - 02:02:21 - everything after Kanan’s line is GONE.
• Rescored the entry to Malachor to have the Malachor V theme from KOTOR2. I don’t think I need to justify this, it’s Malacahor V’s theme and we see Malachor! hahaha
• added mountain VFX to all Malachor surface shots so it better resembles it’s depiction in KOTOR2.
• Translated the Sith lanugage Ahsoka speaks “Taka zeech ma toka duuwaj” as “The incantation and touch shall open the way.”
• Added force SFX for when the Jedi fall into the planet and survive their fall… it was weirdly absent previously
• Rescored the sequence where Ezra, Kanan and Ahsoka search around the temple tracking the ship with Ebon Hawk Adrift from KOTOR2. I’ve chosen this track as a) it sounds just creepy enough for this section. b) it mirrors the opening of KOTOR2. Our Jedi are stranded and being stalked by an unknown darkside user.
• Rescored the section where our jedi discuss Malachor being a battlefield with a small section of Ancient Graves from KOTOR2.
• Made the Eighth brothers race a Selkath instead of a Terrelian Jango Jumper. This is so I can change his voice lines to something more alien. I felt we needed an alien this episode and we don’t really have one.
  How I made the voice:
  • I took the Selcath dialogue SFX from SWtOR.
  • Added helmet SFX to it.
• Changed what the 8th brother was saying. Pretty much all his lines are rewritten. This is to a) to build a better atmosphere, b) give him more character and c) better tie in with the EU through references.
• ADD 06:06:05 - 00:02:16 - reinserted some previously cut footage of Kanan and Ahsoka running after the new inquisitor (it was cut before because of the flying lightsabers but doesn’t show them and better blends with the cut back to Ezra. So It’s back!
• Rescored Maul’s introduction with his theme from Solo. I don’t think this needs much justification… it’s Mauls theme after all!
• CUT 08:37:01 - 08:42:33 - the episode just didn’t need to show us how Chopper got to the crew after being ordered to do so by Kanan. And it wasn’t worth the extra CGI work to include it so it’s gone.
• Rescored Ezra and Maul’s second conversation scene (on their way to the sith temple) with Old Wounds from KOTOR2. This music is used when you explore Dxun but the music is meant to represent the regrets from the Exile’s past. I thought it was appropriate to reuse here for Mauls regrets. Maul is also an exile, being cast out of the Sith by Sidious, I’ll make further reference to this later but it’s another good parallel.
• CUT 10:44:06 - 10:47:23 - removing this cuts down on a the chopper antics and has a better flow for this episode.
• ADD 10:44:06 - 10:45:17 - add back in the shot of the saber being thrown at Chopper
• FIXED audio of the saber hitting the TIE fighter. I don’t know if any of my mixing killed the audio here or if it was always just completely wrong… Either way, I fixed it by retiming and adding to the saber sfx.
• FIXED the audio of the TIE Advanced here… it just sounded weak but now it doesn’t!
• CUT 10:49:09 - 10:51:22 - Didn’t need more chopper shots and the inquisitor insulting chopper so they’re gone now.
• Rescored Ezra and Maul entering the Sith Temple with Echoes of the Sith from KOTOR2. This music plays when you explore the sith academy ruins on Korriban and feels very appropriate to reuse here as they find a temple entrance.
• Rescored Maul teaching Ezra in front of the Sith Temple with the Korriban Sith Temple theme from KOTOR. As Maul is a sith teaching what he considers his apprentice I thought this music was appropriate. It also sync’s up AWESOMELY for what’s going on. This also continues on after they’ve entered the Temple until Ezra gives Maul his real name.
• Rescored Ezra getting the Sith Holocron with Kriea’s theme (as in this edit its Kreia’s Holocron) AND with Kriea’s fall again. Both from KOTOR2. Reusing music associated with Kriea here and also eludes to Ezra connecting with Maul I think is a good creative choice.
• I also added in the Sith Holocron talking noises from KotOR2. In general, this holocron is a lot more “chatty” now.
• Rescored the moment when Maul catches Ezra with The Perfect Trap from KOTOR2. This is the moment when Ezra begins to trust Maul. Even though he gave his name to him before. And all of this is a trap to turn Ezra to the darkside so I think this musical nod is appropriate. The music also creates suspense (as the original show did).
• CUT 19:46:03 - “Hey what are you laughin’ at?” from Kanan and it didn’t work with my new dialogue and SFX for the eighth brother.
• added sith holocron talking noises from KotOR2 while Maul uses the holocron to open the doors.
• Rescored the first fight with everyone vs the inquisitors with Battle of Malachor V from KOTOR2, I also managed to sneak the opening of Duel of the Fates over Mauls introduction because it just felt right! (Thanks AcBagel for that suggestion)
• Made the 8th brother call Darth Maul, “The Exile” now instead of “The Shadow”. The exile is an obvious reference to the KotOR2 protag.
• Added a force jump SFX to the inquisitors now jumping away instead of relying on them flying away with the helicopter sabers…
• Rescored The conversation Ezra, Ahsoka, Kanan, and Maul have with Enter Darth Maul from the Phantom Menace. This part was really lacking music, and here Maul is manipulating the Jedi to helping his cause so it made sense to use his music here.
• Rescored Kanan and Ezra’s conversation while ascending the Temple with Past, Present, and Future from KOTOR2. This music is meant to symbolise a journey AND it plays in a Sith temple so I thought it was quite fitting for this moment.
• Added the same force jump SFX to the new inquisitor when he ambushes Ezra and Kanan.
• CUT 24:53:21 - 24:57:10 - Wanted to speed up the new inquisitor almost killing Ezra. It was weirdly slow, probably to build tension.
• CUT 24:55:19 - 24:56:20 - Cut for the same reason as above. This sequence needed to be sped up to be believable. Otherwise the Inquisitor SHOULD HAVE DEFINITELY KILLED EZRA.
• Rescored the moment Maul helps Ezra up with Past, Present, and Future from KOTOR2. Adding this nice little beat here musically suggests that Ezra could fall and go with Maul instead of staying with Kanan.
• Rescored the moment Mauls talks his way into being alone with Ezra with Darth Maul and his Sith Speeder from The Phantom Menace. I just needed some more maul themed music and this fit well enough!
• I rescored Maul and Ezra’s lift ride with Darth Sion’s theme from KOTOR2. The parallels between Sion and Maul are pretty great. They’re both rage filled (enough to keep them alive) and are used as warriors AND he’s explaining how the darkside is ruthless so it seemed to fit pretty well.
• Rescored the fight with the inquisitors with the Malachor V Battle theme from KOTOR2. I thought it was nice to keep that battle theme associated with the inquisitors.
• Rescored Maul trying to get Ezra to give into the darkside with Meeting with Palpatine Part 1 and Part 2 from Revenge of the Sith. I wanted to highlight the connections between Maul and Palpatine as sith in this moment and call back to how Palpatine manipulated Anakin. This music also plays when Maul senses Vader approaching the planet, which also further justifies its inclusion.
• Rescored the final inquisitor fight with the end of Battle on Malachor V from KOTOR2.
• Rescored the Holocron going into the obelisk with Kriea’s fall.
• CUT 29:18:03 - 29:29:04 - to cut the eighth brothers death by flying lightsaber. (Stole this from EddieDean, thanks buddy!)
• Updated the Kreia Holocron voice with the help of AcBagel!
• MOVED the shots of the sith temple and Ezra entering it earlier to cover the eights brother dying.
• Added mountain VFX to shot of the sith temple firing into the air.
• Added dramatic color shift here too, now everything goes RED!
• Rescored Kanan fighting Maul with Binary sunset from A New Hope instead of nothing! Binary Sunset is the force theme, and Kanan HAS to rely on the force here so it fits really well.
• Rescored the 2nd Holocron scene with Kreia’s theme from KOTOR2.
• Rescored Vader’s entrance with the darkside theme from KOTOR2.
• Fixed Vader’s TIE SFX so now you can hear it AND it echoes through the caves.
• Rescored Vader’s fight with Ezra with The Final Battle from KOTOR2. It nicely ties back to the inquisitor’s using the Malachor battle music AND is more ominous. Kreia is the master of the Sith Triumvirate and it plays in her final battle. Vader is the master of the inquisitors so it can play here too.
• Rescored Vader and Ahoska’s meeting with Old Wounds from KOTOR2. Similar reasoning as when I used this earlier for Maul but this time ignoring the fact that Vader isn’t an Exile, it’s more about the old wounds part.
• Rescored Ezra and Kanan reuniting with Past, Present and Future. A good musical call back to using this with them earlier (and to using it with maul too). The first time it plays it represents the past with Kanan, the second the present with Maul and now the future with Kanan.
• Rescored Vader trying to take back the Holocron with Anakin’s dark deeds from revenge of the sith. I wanted more ominous music (which this does) AND I wanted to connect Vader musically to Anakin BEFORE Ahsoka falls for his ploy. It makes the whole moment feel more believable because the music tells us Anakin will try to kill Ahsoka. The original did this with Vader just having Sith eyes but NOW the lack of sith eyes reads as a ploy to draw Ahsoka in to her death (which I like more)