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Lucas reveals the truth behind the prequel plotholes!

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See, what happened was this. It turns out that Obiwan Kenobi was doing more than just meditating during his time on Tatooine. Unbeknownst to any Star Wars geek, Kenobi also spent time working on a time machine. He felt so guilty about what had happened with Anakin, that he wanted to go back in time and prevent Anakin from being turned to the dark side. Right before meeting up with Luke and the gang, Obiwan completed his time machine. It was a landspeeder that could go back to any time period. All one would have to do is drive the landspeeder up to 113.8 miles per hour and BAM- time travel was possible thanks to the force capaciter!!!

The time machine stayed in Kenobi's hut, until it was found 7 years after Kenobi's death. The time machine got into the wrong hands. Rumor has it that a certain Gungan was bery bery unhappy about his life and wanted to make himself important to galactic history. He stole the time machine, went back in time and created an alternate reality. Reality for everyone except for the OT fans, cast and crew, where Jar Jar Binks is powerful, Anakin was created by midichlorians and Mrs. Skywalker dies of a broken heart.

Binks wanted to have a role in the galactic senate, so he knew he needed to get himself to Coruscant and meet some Jedi along the way.As stupid as he seems, Jar Jar concocted a brilliant plan, which included sending Qui-Gonn, a Sith Lord in disguise (and the predecessor to Darth Maul) to ruin the Jedi order. Qui-Gonn Ginn (aka Darth Tonic) used his sith powers to brainwash the Jedi. Suddenly the ficticious midichlorians were accepted as fact. Qui-Gonn's presence allowed the discovery of Anakin Skywalker to occur 10 years earlier than it would have been. He used a Sith mind trick to get Shmi to claim Ani had been immaculately conceived. In reality she had a one night stand with some space bum at Mos Eisley and couldn't remember the drunken encounter.

Jar Jar's scheme resulted in the Jedi meeting Anakin ten years earlier than was supposed to happen also changed the relationship that Obiwan and Owen were to have. Originally, Anakin was to spend many years with the Lars clan on Tatooine, growing close to Owen. Owen would eventually feel bitter towards Kenobi for taking Anakin away, but of course, the new reality was changed thanks to a certain Mr. Binks and Mr. Jinn. Also, by some chance, Anakin wound up marrying the same woman (and produce the same children) he was going to anyway, but this time, she would die much earlier than she was supposed to.

Finally, Jinn planned all a long to die in the fight with Maul and Kenobi. He wanted to die for his "cause." PLus this explains why Qui-gonn did not disappear upon his death.

So there you have it. THe new real reason for all the plot holes in the prequels.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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One problem: time travel to the past is not possible, no matter what galaxy you're from. Theoretically speaking, if Obi-Wan went back to change events, the future would be altered, therefore Obi-Wan wouldn't be in the situation to go back to change the past, so the past would not change.
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Well, it depends on your theory of time travel. Some say that time traveling leaves "shadows" of its existence. Therefore, whether or not Ben had any inclination to time travel in the revised timeline, the time traveling would already have happened.

And then there's also the theory of a fixed timeline, in which all effects of time travel have already been implemented, and there's no way to change anything.

There is no lingerie in space…

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There's also the "parallel universe" theory expressed in Michael Crichton's "Timeline", where "time travel" is really traveling to one of an infinite amount of parallel universes that each consist of a particular point in time.

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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Well, it depends on your theory of time travel. Some say that time traveling leaves "shadows" of its existence. Therefore, whether or not Ben had any inclination to time travel in the revised timeline, the time traveling would already have happened.

And then there's also the theory of a fixed timeline, in which all effects of time travel have already been implemented, and there's no way to change anything.


Those are good theories as well. Hmm, the idea in Timeline sounds interesting. But based on thought experiments in our reality so far, certain events simply cannot be changed. For instance the classic example of the grandfather. Let's say you for some strange reason go to the past to kill your grandfather. So you kill him. He dies. Well, since he dies, your exact parents would never exist. So if they don't exist, you cease to exist, so you can't go back and kill him, therefore you exist. I will agree that some events might still be able to be changed without this parodox occuring, but it doesn't seem likely to me. But I digress, because I don't want this to derail into a discussion on time travel. We'll save that until the silly topic started by JennyS1138 has fizzled out...
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But that's the kicker of the whole "Timeline" theory: there's no such thing as a paradox. Because time doesn't flow linearly, like a river. Each of the parallel universes is independent of the others. So you can go and mess with the past all you want, but the present that you came from will still exist, but so will the one resulting from whatever you did in the past, and so will lots of others that are slightly varied. The trick is to find the right one.

Still with me?

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That's also the time travel theory utilized in DragonBall with Trunks. But, Adam, if there are branching timelines, how would you know they didn't exist since we are all confined to this single timeline?

And in response to your paradox argument, I have to draw on my vast knowledge of all things Back to the Future to make a rebuttal. Now, according to Doc Brown, the effects of a paradox would cause the dustruction of the universe due to it not being able to logically be accomplished. But there's also the "Space-Time Preservation Theory" that claims that the universe is able to keep itself on course (like a river) and keep things from happening that would lead to a paradox (similar to the Greek principle of dike), so, according to that theory, there would always be some obstacle preventing you from killing your own grandfather.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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But the question is: what? And how"? How could the universe always prevent a person from their free will? With the universe being non-living and a person obviously being living, the person would have the ability to think things through and solve these problems unless they were large enough.
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Well, according to that theory, it would only "impede" with free will in an order to keep itself from being destroyed. Outside of time travel, there is a similar theory of eath, called Gaia Theory, in which people believe that whatever humans do to the earth, the earth is able to heal itself, or at least attempt to heal itself.

And in terms of the universe, it might not be so far-fetched to think it might be able to do that, especially if God were involved, not to try and bring religion into this topic, but it's a tangible point.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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this is what truly seperates geeks from people who just like star wars, god bless you guys
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Originally posted by: battlewars
this is what truly seperates geeks from people who just like star wars, god bless you guys


Yeah, as soon as I read the words "Obi Wan tried to build a time machine..." I stopped reading. Sorry guys, I don't know if you are just joking around or not, because I didn't read it. I just said, "No, no, no" and skipped down the bottom of the thread. Star Wars doesn't need to get that weird, thank you very much.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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This thread was meant to be a silly parody of the Back to the Future movies, especially part 2 with the alternate reality. That's the best trilogy after the OT, at least IMO.
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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I donno. "Back to the Future" rocks my socks, but I only like Part I and III. Same with Indiana Jones. I only like the first and third movie. Hmm...I wonder why the sequels didn't do so well for those two trilogies.
"I am altering the movies. Pray I don't alter them any further." -Darth Lucas
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My favorites of those trilogies:

BTTF: Part II

Indy: The Last Crusade
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Yeah, I loved BTTF2 as well. It was the first one I saw, and I think the alternate realities and going back behind the events of the first movie were really cool, even though I can point out all the inconsistencies.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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There's one major inconsistency: the fact that when Marty travels into the future, his older self is there. That's impossible! If someone goes in a time machine and travels ahead 30 years, then that means that they would be "missing" for those 30 years. THere can't be 2 Marty's. Flight of the Navigator got that right. The kid's in a time machine for a few minutes and is returned 8 years in the future. He hasn't aged but to the rest of his family he was gone 8 years. Duh.....
George Lucas was seduced by the dark side. The OOT ceased to exist in his mind and became the Special Editions...." "They're more maching now than movies. Twisted and evil."
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Originally posted by: JennyS1138
There's one major inconsistency: the fact that when Marty travels into the future, his older self is there. That's impossible! If someone goes in a time machine and travels ahead 30 years, then that means that they would be "missing" for those 30 years. THere can't be 2 Marty's. Flight of the Navigator got that right. The kid's in a time machine for a few minutes and is returned 8 years in the future. He hasn't aged but to the rest of his family he was gone 8 years. Duh.....
But we know that Marty eventually returned to 1985 and continued his life from that point on, so he would have aged and grown into the middle aged Marty we see in Part 2..... Ah, it's only a movie.

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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
There's also the "parallel universe" theory expressed in Michael Crichton's "Timeline", where "time travel" is really traveling to one of an infinite amount of parallel universes that each consist of a particular point in time.

Anyone ever heard of John Titor? I was totally hooked on this story for months. Probably a hoax, but fascinating all the same. Check it out:

http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com

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Originally posted by: JennyS1138
There's one major inconsistency: the fact that when Marty travels into the future, his older self is there. That's impossible! If someone goes in a time machine and travels ahead 30 years, then that means that they would be "missing" for those 30 years. THere can't be 2 Marty's. Flight of the Navigator got that right. The kid's in a time machine for a few minutes and is returned 8 years in the future. He hasn't aged but to the rest of his family he was gone 8 years. Duh.....


Yeah, the commentary addresses that, and YIYF's explanation is correct, that Marty and Jennifer will return to 1985, therefore the 2015 they go to is an extrapolation of the past. It doesn't quite mesh with their theory of time travel (except that since the future isn't written, the future they go to is an assumed future based on the events of the present, so it could work), and in, more or less, the words of Bob Gale, "It wouldn't be interesting if we went to the future, and Marty and Jennifer weren't there."

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.