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The Moth3r PAL DVD Set Info and Feedback Thread (Released)

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This thread is, as the title suggests, a concise summary for information and feedback only. Please keep this thread neat by ensuring your replies are on topic. DO NOT POST REQUESTS FOR THIS SET HERE! For project history, general discussion, additional information or questions please use the “warts and all” Moth3r project thread.

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1. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (MTHR-SWANH V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 1:56:20
Video: 720x576 25fps (PAL), CCE 3-pass average bitrate 5060kbps
Aspect ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround, 48kHz 192kbps AC3
<span class=“Italics”>alternative audio available as a separate file:
English (1977 original mono mix) Dolby Digital 1.0, 48kHz 96kbps AC3</span>
Subtitles: English (alien subs, hard encoded)
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD size: 4.37GB

Known flaws
Missing screenwipe at 0:31:08.000
“Line drops” present at various locations throughout the movie
Saturation of green and yellow hues a little too low
Halos caused by analogue sharpness too high
Letterboxed mode is not forced when player display type set to 4:3 P&S
Audio level too low

2. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (MTHR-SWTESB V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 1:59:56
Video: 720x576 25fps (PAL), CCE 3-pass average bitrate 4895kbps
Aspect Ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround 48kHz 192kbps AC-3
Subtitles: None
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD Size: 4.26GB

Known flaws
Saturation of green and yellow hues a little too low
Halos caused by analogue sharpness set too high
Audio level too low

3. Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (MTHR-SWROTJ V1.0)

Technical Specs
Runtime: 2:06:29
Video: 720x576 25fps, CCE 3-pass average bitrate 4600kbps
Aspect Ratio: approx 2.35:1 (16:9 anamorphic)
Audio: English (1993 THX remastered mix) Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround 48kHz 224kbps AC-3
Subtitles: English (alien subs, hard encoded)
Extras: None
Menus: None
DVD Size: 4.37GB

Known flaws
Missing screenwipe at 0:59:36.040
Top letterbox border shifts down at 1:34:44.320
Audio glitch around 1:37:33

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Well, your ANH and TESB transfers turned out great, and from the sample I've seen you've topped yourself on the ROTJ-one... which makes me want the torrent for this even more... c'mon Metallaxis (or Rikter)!!
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I am not technically minded but I do recognise quality when I see it.

On my new 42" telly, all of these look bloody fantastic!!

The release of the mono mix was also a stroke of genius too. I grafted that on with the original stereo mix and it is a near perfect combination.

[on a side note, the original theatrical stereo soundtracks for each film are being captured from LD as we speak if you were interested in releasing more alternative soundtracks.]

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The Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are great transfers probably one of the best ive seen, if not the best so far, and enjoyed watching them, thank you and look forward to Return of the Jedi...
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Just received my X-mas prezzie in the mail today in the form of Moth3r's PAL OT trilogy and I´m not gonna beat around the bush here... they are BLOODY AMAZING!!! Absolutely by far the best ones I've seen (TR47, Cowclops V2). The resolution is incredible, sometimes I forgot I was watching a bootleg laserdisc transfer and thought I had an official full quality DVD in my player, it's that good. It really rivals the official DVD's for clarity and resolution and the 16:9 anamorphic encoding is brilliant. The only thing that bugged me a little was the low audiolevel, I really had to crank my system up far more than normal. These are my first impresssions, I've not fully sat through each movie so I'll chime in again later this weekend with a full review of Moth3r's great efforts. Damn, I'm so happy to have the OT in this quality, it really means I don't have to sit through those "enhanched" official Lucas DVD's anymore. Congratulations Moth3r on a GREAT project!
peace,

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Just received RotJ today. I LOVE what you did with the color.
This has probably been answered but did you use some noise reduction filtering on this? It seems less sharp then the first two.

Btw, when I worked with ANH and ESB, the color vectors showed the blue to be fully saturated, the yellows and greens were almost non-existent.

Dr. M

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Well, I've had a chance to watch the whole trilogy over this weekend, so here goes my review.

Review equipment:
Pioneer DV656A DVD player
Philips 32" Blackline S CRT TV
Yamaha AX-570 amplifier and JBL speakers.

Episode IV

Video: Looks incredibly sharp and the extra PAL resolution makes all the difference from the NTSC transfers I've seen, like TR47 and Cowclops V2. It's also unbelievable how good the anamorphic encoding is, it still has the sharpness and I hardly noticed any compression artifacts or other video bugs. Ok, there's a bit of videonoise but it is very tame and didn't bug me at all - I prefer the extra sharpness overall. Other problems here include the color ofcourse, which is way too desaturated. You can hardly tell the opening Star Wars logo and intro text are yellow, they seem almost white. Skin color is also unnatural. This could really do with a little dose of colortweaking, but not much. I think a middleground between this desaturated look and the cartoony looking official DVD's might be the way to go. I also kinda missed the screenwipe where Luke and Obi-Wan lift C3PO. It's a screenwipe we've come to know very well, and not having it looks strange. Finally there's the low resolution static screen straight after that screenwipe where we see Luke's speeder outside Obi-Wan's house. It looks so ugly, sticks out like a sore thumb.

Audio: First thing you notice about the audio is the low level. You really have to crank up your system "all the way up", so far that the amplifier begins to struggle a bit. This really needed a higher audiolevel. And being from a VHS source I noticed various dropouts, audionoise and clicks. Overall though the VHS audio is surprisingly good, with a good bass and mostly low on noise. But it is obvious that a soundtrack from a laserdisc is a much better prospect, so let's hope Moth3r will upgrade the VHS sound to laserdisc sound if he does a "Version 2.0".

Overall: A great transfer, easily the best I've seen and I suspect we won't see anything significantly better (maybe the X0 Project will imrove upon it). Huge repect to Moth3r for doing this great project, I absolutely love watching the OOT in this quality.

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Episode V

Video: The same pretty much applies here as in EPIV. This is just as good looking. It suffers from the same flaws also, so you can expect desaturated colors here but it's not as bad as on EPIV. Those sharpening filters really have done wonders here, there's very little noise and the picture is so smooth and stable. I really think those hardly noticable "halos" justify the video's sharpness. I guess different DVD players process the video signal in different ways, but my Pioneer player handles it well. This looks absolutely amazing, incredible! Blacks are black, the contrast is spot on and the colors are much more accurate than the fucked up official Lucas DVD's. This is ESB as I remember it from the theaters.

Audio: The audiolevel is also too low here, which is a shame. This movie has such a powerful soundtrack so I was really bummed out not being able to blast it properly on my system. As on EPIV there are the occasional audio gremlins which would have been totally avoided with the use of laserdisc soundtrack. I really think this is one of the biggest flaws of this project, having VHS audio with laserdisc video. With this good video, you really want to pair it with the best possible audio source wouldn't you?

Overall: It's a joy to watch this transfer. It really is so close to the official DVD's sharpness wise and resolution wise. Comparing this transfer to for example the TR47 is like you've just had the mud washed from your eyes when watching the PAL goodness. This is great!

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Episode VI

Video: This one actually looks the worst of the trilogy. It is more blurry or muddy looking. Not nearly as sharp as the other two, that was immediately noticable. As has now been revealed Moth3r used another filter process on this one to reduce halos. I would rather have the slight haloing and the extra sharpness, rather than no halos and this slightly blurry looking image. It hits you hard after watching the incredibly sweet looking EPIV & V transfers. On a good note this one has much better color than the other two.

Audio: The VHS sound here is a bit damaged, with plenty of little clicks and cuts throughout the beginning of the movie and on various other parts of the movie. Sometimes it sounds a bit like you're listening to a vinyl record. The audiolevel is higher though and that is good. Again, I would absolutely love to have the laserdisc audio here, with it's clarity and pristine goodness. The VSH sound on here is easily the worst of the three movies.

Overall: A bit of a dissapointment actually, as I thought this one would be the best looking one of them all (as that's how it is with the other transfers I've seen). Coupled with the damaged VHS sound this is a step below the excellent EPIV and V transfers. The best thing about this transfer is the color, which is rich.

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Trilogy overall: As I've said before this is the best I've seen of the OOT "laserdisc to DVD" projects. The extra resolution and extra sharpness from the PAL source, coupled with Moth3r's great efforts have given us a truly brilliant project and I'm most impressed. But things can be improved upon, as I guess Moth3r is fully aware of. EPIV needs more color and a higher audiolevel (prefarably from a laserdisc source). EPV needs a bit more color as well as a better and higher audio and EPVI needs better sharpness and better audio. My two cents on that whole "halo" thing is simple. If I ought to choose between the extra sharpness and slight haloing or no halos and a more blurry image I'd go for the former, no doubt about it. I also think if Moth3r has plans to do a "Version 2.0" project, then all three movies should be proecessed in the same way, to make the viewing experience complete. Also for this new version it would be great to get the laserdisc audio. With all these things considered this would probably be the absolutely best OOT project possible. Here's hoping Moth3r will give it another go. Massive respect to Moth3r for this project!
peace,

Rebelscum
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I too thought that ROTJ was a little bit soft, which is quite noticable when comparing to Ep IV and V. Of course, we have to be thankful for what Mother did for all of us fans out there, but still... Awww, may we really hope for a little bit of improvement?
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Hmm, can anybody step in and seed the ANH torrent on Myspleen? The current seeder seems to have trouble keeping his uploading rate steady - everytime I've tried it starts at 50 kb/s or something and then slowly drops to 0 kb/s. I'm at 97% and there are 8 other peers. Please, anyone?
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
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Oh, I'm sorry. My mistake entirely
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Thanks, but it doesn't really matter. I can't really take the word "hate" serious when it's in an internet context. Anyone who can hate me because of a few lines of text need to switch to decaffeinated And I did actually smile when I saw that post! Anyway, we're drifting off-topic here, so never mind
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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Got ROTJ the other day. Thanks to Moth3r for all his hard work, and to Metallaxis for uploading it.

I need confirmtion on whether my copy is corrupted or not. At around 1hr 37min 34secs Lando is talking to Ackbar about how the Death Star is operational. Around the bit where Ackbar says "...cruisers can't..." my audio clicks and seems to skip a few milliseconds of audio, however I can't really see any jump in the video.

Does anyone else experience this, or is my copy screwed, and I need to re-get it?

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Just finished downloading EpIV this afternoon, just need ROTJ to complete the set.

I may have a noticed a glitch, in the scene when vader uses force choke on that Admiral. There is a sudden slight colour shift. An increase of red seemingly.
It may just be my equipment though, dodgy download etc. happens at 0:36:27, very slight and it doesn't bother me but i thought it was worth mentioning.
Does anyone else get this?

The only other transfer's i have are the dr gonzo's. I thought they were pretty good but in comparison the sharpness and general picture quality of the moth3r's are far superior.
A damn fine job, mate - you should be very proud!

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Originally posted by: RATLSNAKE
Got ROTJ the other day. Thanks to Moth3r for all his hard work, and to Metallaxis for uploading it.

I need confirmtion on whether my copy is corrupted or not. At around 1hr 37min 34secs Lando is talking to Ackbar about how the Death Star is operational. Around the bit where Ackbar says "...cruisers can't..." my audio clicks and seems to skip a few milliseconds of audio, however I can't really see any jump in the video.

Does anyone else experience this, or is my copy screwed, and I need to re-get it?

RATLSNAKE


I hadn't noticed it before, but I checked my copy, and found the same problem. I guess this means that everybody who got a copy from me has the same issue as well. Nuts. Can we get any other confirmation?
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I think Moth3r said that is the way it is,here is his known flaws:
"Known flaws
Missing screenwipe at 0:59:36.040
Top letterbox border shifts down at 1:34:44.320
Audio glitch around 1:37:33"
this was taken from his first post,above
hope this helps
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Thanks dj. Paying attention to details can be fun!
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Moth3r acknowledged the glitch I found at the bottom of this page:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=9&threadid=1545&STARTPAGE=21

and edited the "known flaws" post above.

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There seems to be a glitch on my copy when Leia says "Into the garbage chute, flyboy!". The audio skips a bit as she says the last word. The line begins at approx. 1:13:09. Is this a burning errror or is it present on the "master"?
"The things that stick in my mind and make me laugh were, like, memos worried about whether or not the Wookie should have pants. They're looking at this thing and saying, "Couldn't he have some lederhosen?" This is great. Of all the things to worry about, the Wookie has no pants." -Mark Hamill
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I received Moth3r LD transfer yesterday and Moth3r you have done the terrific job! Thanks for effort.
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In another thread Moth3r you suggested you could make an even better version. Would you share with us your new and improved technique?

“I love Darth Editous and I’m not ashamed to admit it.” ~ADigitalMan

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Quick question:

Is there a general interest in more audio-tracks for Moth3r's transfers? Since I've made myself three dual-layer discs for the trilogy using Moth3r's transfers, combining some stuff like the Laserdisc supplementals, "The Making of Star Wars", "SPFX", "Classic Creatures" and the animated menus of the 2004 DVDs (changed to fit my new content) I have also added some more audio options:

ANH
1. English 2.0 Surround (from Moth3r)
2. German 2.0 Stereo (done by me)
3. English Mono (1977 mix)
4. Isolated score (sped up and pitch-corrected from the EditDroid set)
5. Interview commentary track (taken from the ANH Classic Edition)

TESB
1. English 2.0 Surround (from Moth3r)
2. German 2.0 Stereo
3. Isolated score (sped up and pitch-corrected from the EditDroid set)

ROTJ
1. English 2.0 Surround (from Moth3r)
2. German 2.0 Stereo (done by me)
3. Isolated score (sped up and pitch-corrected from the EditDroid set)

Anybody interested in this? I was thinking about sharing my self-made set, but torrenting 22 GB is a little too much, and I think German audio (which is actually the biggest difference) isn't THAT requested.
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Hi. Long time reader, first post.

Is there anywhere I can still download Moth3r's PAL DVD's? I just got a PAL player and would like to give them a go.

SORRY: Moved to Torrent thread.